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#12735258 - 04/29/18 08:48 AM legal fish or not?
beartrap Offline
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Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 987
Loc: south georgia
several years ago on another forum there was a hellacious debate over a fish being legal to weigh in or not...
the situation was a guy was fishing a jig and hung a big bass in or near a brushpile....fish wrapped him up in the brushpile and guy spent several minutes trying to dislodge the fish from the brushpile and finally gave up and broke his line...
he is sitting down on front deck re-tying when the fish swims to the surface next to the boat and guy grabs his net and scoops him up still with his jig in his mouth...as I recall his story,he didn't know whether he could weigh the fish in or not and his partner convinced him they couldn't so he took his jig out of the fish's mouth and turned the fish loose.....
what's your thoughts? legal fish or not?
(wish I knew how to do one of those polls where you vote)...

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#12735268 - 04/29/18 08:54 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Waco
I leaning towards no

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#12735270 - 04/29/18 08:55 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
Jaret Latta Offline
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If it's your jig, certainly legal. I broke one off in the pads about 9am on braid in a Basschamps. Came back about 2pm to fish the area and the trolling motor got hung up on something. I pulled it up to find the braid wrapped up in the TM. I unwrapped the braid and decided to go get my hook back from earlier. I broke off a full cast, appx 50ft of braid. As I got to the end where it was wrapped up in the pads I realized there was a 5lber still on the end. Partner grabbed the net and scooped her up. Culled up 3lbs and got a good check. I see no issue when guys do this as long as it actually was theirs. Ethically there's no issue in my opinion

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#12735315 - 04/29/18 09:25 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
5Redman8 Online   content
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I would not have kept it for a tourney but I sure would have gotten a pic.

Leaning toward the same for Jaret’s situation. I just don’t feel that would be a legal catch.
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#12735325 - 04/29/18 09:33 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
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If you break off while reeling it in and see the line and then grab it and handline it in 99% would call that legal. What changes it if you leave that spot and come back a couple of hours later and have the same situation as Jaret? Why would his fish not be legal if he can verify his line, his bait? Either way its handlined in and should be legal.

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#12735327 - 04/29/18 09:34 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
squib Offline
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Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 1270
Loc: Lubbock, TX
Was in tournament flipping reeds. Got a bite and set the hook. Line broke at the rod tip. Boat blew off the reeds and I retied. Eased back up to the reed bed and saw the tag end of my line from before floating on the water. Grabbed it and slowly took out all the slack. In one motion swung a 3 pounder into the boat. Called the tournament director and he said it was a legal fish and throw it in the live well if I wanted.

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#12735361 - 04/29/18 10:08 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
Hog Jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/08
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Loc: The Great State of Texas
Call the TD , good call .

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#12735372 - 04/29/18 10:18 AM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
coachallentca Offline
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Registered: 11/19/08
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Loc: crowley
My son had one yesterday that broke him off on a jig. The bass the start's jumping with his jig right at the boat. We started wondering the same thing. Would it be legal to keep. Could have netted him but was not sure if would have been legal. He jumped 4 to 5 times tring to throw that jig.
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#12735528 - 04/29/18 01:29 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
beartrap Offline
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Registered: 11/05/11
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Loc: south georgia
IMHO there is nothing morally,ethically or logically wrong with weighing in a fish a fish that you hooked whether the fish broke off and surfaced by the boat or he fell off the hook as you netted him..MAIN THING TO FOCUS ON IS THAT YOU ENTICED THAT FISH TO BITE AND YOU LANDED THE FISH......it isn't like this happens every tournament,99% of the time you are not going to catch that fish that broke the line and only once or twice in a career are you gonna get that lucky.....

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#12735533 - 04/29/18 01:36 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: Mark Perry]
5Redman8 Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Mark Perry
If you break off while reeling it in and see the line and then grab it and handline it in 99% would call that legal. What changes it if you leave that spot and come back a couple of hours later and have the same situation as Jaret? Why would his fish not be legal if he can verify his line, his bait? Either way its handlined in and should be legal.


Just saying I would not feel right and I wouldn’t weigh it.

What if you have broken off in practice....same line and lure....break off during tourney....then snag a line. It is your line and lure. I wouldn’t feel right catching a fish that way.

Not saying that am right...but I couldn’t pass a lie detector in either case.
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#12735547 - 04/29/18 01:48 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: 5Redman8]
beartrap Offline
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Originally Posted By: 5Redman8
Originally Posted By: Mark Perry
If you break off while reeling it in and see the line and then grab it and handline it in 99% would call that legal. What changes it if you leave that spot and come back a couple of hours later and have the same situation as Jaret? Why would his fish not be legal if he can verify his line, his bait? Either way its handlined in and should be legal.


Just saying I would not feel right and I wouldn’t weigh it.

What if you have broken off in practice....same line and lure....break off during tourney....then snag a line. It is your line and lure. I wouldn’t feel right catching a fish that way.

Not saying that am right...but I couldn’t pass a lie detector in either case.


what about you hooking a fish and it jumps right beside the boat,the hook comes out but your partner catches it in the net..... since you were disconnected from the fish....would you count the fish?

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#12735597 - 04/29/18 02:56 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
wsimpson Online   content
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I'd say no on the OP question. Netting it after the fact is not a TPWD state legal method for taking a gamefish.

On the situation directly above, I'd say ok.

Another situation I personally struggle with is catching a fish outside of the mouth: jerkbait, crankbait, umbrella rig, etc. I understand that TPWD states that this is considered foul-hooked and not a legal method for taking a gamefish. As a competitive angler (subject to a lie detector), when do you make this determination - when boating it? For me, I'll privately request TD clarification on this issue...



Edited by wsimpson (04/29/18 02:57 PM)

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#12735604 - 04/29/18 03:01 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
forkduc Offline
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No

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#12735606 - 04/29/18 03:01 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: 5Redman8]
Mark Perry Online   content


Registered: 01/09/04
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Originally Posted By: 5Redman8
Originally Posted By: Mark Perry
If you break off while reeling it in and see the line and then grab it and handline it in 99% would call that legal. What changes it if you leave that spot and come back a couple of hours later and have the same situation as Jaret? Why would his fish not be legal if he can verify his line, his bait? Either way its handlined in and should be legal.


Just saying I would not feel right and I wouldn’t weigh it.

What if you have broken off in practice....same line and lure....break off during tourney....then snag a line. It is your line and lure. I wouldn’t feel right catching a fish that way.

Not saying that am right...but I couldn’t pass a lie detector in either case.


It was hooked in practice so no it was not caught and broke off during tournament hours so no catch on that one.

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#12735608 - 04/29/18 03:02 PM Re: legal fish or not? [Re: beartrap]
forkduc Offline
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yes

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