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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: JeffLStevens]
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04/03/18 06:36 PM
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Mark Perry
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it is concerning when there are so many responses on here defending the actions of someone leaving the boat to spot fish. I hope that I am not fishing against a lot of these guys that seem to be ok with this unless the tournament rules specifically state that you can't. This should be common sense by all tournament anglers. I have no issues with someone leaving boat unless it's for a competitive advantage. What you say is dead on through.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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04/03/18 07:34 PM
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GoPokes
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I've left the boat in almost every tournament to use the bathroom only. Taken plenty of polygraphs in the same event and I've never even once thought it was an issue. If you personally think it's a violation, either don't do it, or simply bring it up during pre polygraph questions and explain yourself. That resolves any issues.
On another note, rumor is that winner of Poche benefit tournament had someone bring them more crankbaits while on a spot. Basically called and had someone go buy more cranks and bring them to the lake then to the spot. Was it against the rules? Not in that tournament. Was it unethical... probably but if it isn't clearly stated what you can do and what you can't...not much you can do but change the rules for the next event. To me, that's not really any different than refueling at a marina. He had the wherewithal to make a call and get resupplied. Good move IMO. As long as any other contestant had the same opportunity, then no problem.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: fouzman]
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04/03/18 07:41 PM
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GoPokes
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Listed or not getting out of the boat to look at a bed fish during a tournament is cheating. And lame. Some would say fishing for bed fish at all is lame and unsportsmanlike. I remember back in the old days hearing about Rick Clunn hiring pilots to fly over lakes before tournaments to get a lay of the structure that just couldn't be done from a boat. No one considered that cheating or unsportsmanlike. How about an elevated pedestal?? Is that cheating, unethical, or just working harder than the other competitors? I think the some other posters nailed it, just add "or to locate bass" to the rule and it's fixed.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: John Peebles]
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04/03/18 07:53 PM
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JeffLStevens
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The only person that I know of that has done this was also DQ'd from a tournament years ago for failing a Poly and when given the opportunity to clear his name and take another Poly, he has never done so. He is not allowed to fish several trails at all because of this but unfortunately still fishes some tournaments. SO.....if you want to be lumped in with a guy like that and "bend" the rules because it doesn't state it word for word and then defend your actions or the actions of others......it's your integrity and name that is ruined when someone sees you.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: John Peebles]
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04/03/18 07:56 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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Bed fishing unsportsmanlike? I guess guys don't realize practically every fish they catch in less than 8ft of water this time of year is a "bed" fish. Guys who refuse to bed fish catch more bed fish than the guys actually looking for them. That's a fact.
As far as unfair advantage, what about the guy with a bullet, 300hp and 4 solix 15's? Doesn't he have an unfair advantage over guys with 200hp and lesser electronics? Some of these arguments are laughable.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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04/03/18 08:12 PM
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GoPokes
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Bed fishing unsportsmanlike? I guess guys don't realize practically every fish they catch in less than 8ft of water this time of year is a "bed" fish. Guys who refuse to bed fish catch more bed fish than the guys actually looking for them. That's a fact.
As far as unfair advantage, what about the guy with a bullet, 300hp and 4 solix 15's? Doesn't he have an unfair advantage over guys with 200hp and lesser electronics? Some of these arguments are laughable. Hard to tell if you're arguing with me or agreeing, but to the bed fishing statement, I can only speak for myself, but after catching a male bass off a bed on Fork that had practically no mouth left from being caught so many times, I felt very unsportsmanlike. That's different than catching a random bed fish in shallow water during the spring, even if your assertion is true. Not that any of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: John Peebles]
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04/03/18 10:56 PM
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bigfishtx
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Lost in this is how Barbara Long handled it on her trail, immediately. She runs a great trail and just showed it.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: bigfishtx]
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04/04/18 03:04 AM
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the skipper
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Lost in this is how Barbara Long handled it on her trail, immediately. She runs a great trail and just showed it. I'm still not sure this has anything to do with aq. I didn't see anything on their site and the only real thing I've seen posted is the crank baits getting brought to anglers in a different tournament
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: the skipper]
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04/04/18 03:08 AM
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kellisag
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Lost in this is how Barbara Long handled it on her trail, immediately. She runs a great trail and just showed it. I'm still not sure this has anything to do with aq. I didn't see anything on their site and the only real thing I've seen posted is the crank baits getting brought to anglers in a different tournament http://www.fishingworld.com/fishing-and-...-win-on-conroe-I think she posted the same thing on Facebook
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: kellisag]
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04/04/18 11:41 AM
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the skipper
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Lost in this is how Barbara Long handled it on her trail, immediately. She runs a great trail and just showed it. I'm still not sure this has anything to do with aq. I didn't see anything on their site and the only real thing I've seen posted is the crank baits getting brought to anglers in a different tournament http://www.fishingworld.com/fishing-and-...-win-on-conroe-I think she posted the same thing on Facebook Thanks.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: John Peebles]
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04/04/18 09:18 PM
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RKT
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It is good to see a tournament director address an issue head on instead of trying to hide issues.
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: Fishspanker]
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04/05/18 02:38 AM
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dk2429
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There wasn't a rule that covers this specifically. It does say you can't get out of the boat to land a fish. Some tournaments have a specific rule to cover this including off limits period. Your average tournament angler knows this is not allowed. However without a specific rule or the Tournament Director covering it that's going to lead to someone pushing the rule envelope. Excuse my ignorance please, I've fished bass tournaments, but never heard of an "off limits period." What is that exactly?
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Re: Cheating at Anglers Quest?
[Re: dk2429]
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04/05/18 02:46 AM
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the skipper
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There wasn't a rule that covers this specifically. It does say you can't get out of the boat to land a fish. Some tournaments have a specific rule to cover this including off limits period. Your average tournament angler knows this is not allowed. However without a specific rule or the Tournament Director covering it that's going to lead to someone pushing the rule envelope. Excuse my ignorance please, I've fished bass tournaments, but never heard of an "off limits period." What is that exactly? The lake has an off limits period leading up to the tourney. Bass champs is from the Monday before the tournament until the tournament, you can't be on tournament waters during that time.
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