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Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
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02/23/18 07:59 PM
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PettyBigBass
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I used Big Game for years but it seams like the quality is not what it was many years ago. It breaks and cuts easy as compared to 20 years ago. I started trying fluorocarbon and i got so frustrated with making a cast, watching my $10 crankbait fly out into the lake with $14 worth of the fluorocarbon line that broke in the middle of the spool go with it. Ive set the hook and had my line break I dont know how many times with both Big Game and Flouro not to mention the hours Ive spent in the bottom of the boat trying all of these new fan dangled knots for the flouro. I spend half my day jacking with this stuff. Please help! whats a good line that will last more than one day of fishing? I like the way the flouro feels and looks but dang. What knot is best. I try the professional YouTube knot with the three tag ends and "BINK" when I set the hook.
Thank you for your help in advance
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:02 PM
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shotgunwilly
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Something's wrong. Are you getting loops in your reel when you cast and reel it in? Those will cut against your reel when you cast. Are your rod guides in good shape? A damaged one will weaken your line. You shouldn't be breaking off during a cast.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:03 PM
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senko9S
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might try out P-Line Premium CX. it's a fluoro coated co-polymer that is fairly limp with good strength, and is also affordable and durable..
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:04 PM
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senko9S
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oh, and if you are using Vanish, then throw it away.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:12 PM
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Matt1212
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I'm guessing brand too. Flouro I use is strong
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:12 PM
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Make sure to wet your line before clinching down on the knot. I use a San Diego Jam knot for almost everything.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: shotgunwilly]
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02/23/18 08:24 PM
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PettyBigBass
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I get the small overrun loops at times but not big loops that hang on the reel. I try to clean out the small ones but it seem like any little kink in these lines damage them. Ive been using the Berley 100% Fluoro.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:32 PM
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Clark3
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I get the small overrun loops at times but not big loops that hang on the reel. I try to clean out the small ones but it seem like any little kink in these lines damage them. Ive been using the Berley 100% Fluoro. Lol the vanish. Theres a reason its 1/2 price of other fluorocarbon. Seagar redlabel is about the cheapest fluorocarbon i would spool. The invisix is about the best there is at $26 for 200 Yards. I rarely use fluorocarbon, but use big game 15 lb green on almost every lake, even when Pk has 20+ ft visibility and I rarely break off on it. Something aint right
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:36 PM
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I get the small overrun loops at times but not big loops that hang on the reel. I try to clean out the small ones but it seem like any little kink in these lines damage them. Ive been using the Berley 100% Fluoro. Weird. I've had good success with Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon. I much prefer Sunline FC Sniper or Shooter, but the Trilene 100% is always my back up.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 08:52 PM
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
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02/23/18 08:59 PM
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Chet
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Wet the knot good, if you get a backlash remove it carefully as any force can nick the line and it will fail there. Other than that in general I have no issues with Flour.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:03 PM
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DBFishing83
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Just use Suffix Siege ...... best dang stuff in the world (IMHO) quite worrying about lure specific application, stretch / no stretch, sensitivity etc etc etc use either 12-14 for lighter stuff use 17 or 20 if you want heavier stuff the JUST FISH IT ....... no worries.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:08 PM
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Get you some McCoys mean green in 17lb test. Its not fluorocarbon, but its Strong Like Bull...and lasts a long time!
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:19 PM
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daddystog
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You must to have got some old Big game that's been setting in a warehouse for years , i use 8lb big game for Square bills and spinnerbait if I hang up I can pull the boat over to it and can't break it , as for as Fluoro you do have to be careful with crimping it in any way
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:22 PM
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I agree with the previous responders. Something is up somewhere. I used to try this and that line from time to time when I would here a good review but have always depended on Big Game. I'v had only one spool of Big Game that was questionable and I chunked it in the trash and bought amother one. I uses InvisX almost exclusively and until I figured out it's issue inherant to all fluorocarbon line I almost gave up on it. If you kink it up in a big birdnest it's pretty much toast. If you don't wet it before you cinch it up it you will burn it and snap! I tie a double San Diego knot with four wraps on 20 # Invix and I can pullt the boat with it! I also tie a polamar with Invix on a drop shot but pay real close attention to not crossing the line. Mono and braid I generally always use a polomar knot. I undertand your frustrations as I've been there. You may want to get a Q-tip or some cotton from a Cotton ball and check your guides for burs.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:32 PM
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Trilene 100% is on 90% of my rods
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 09:48 PM
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I use Seaguar Inxisx and Red label Fluorocarbon and the old fishermans knot. Yes flouro is alot more finicky as compared to mono. As far as mono goes Big Game is all I use and never had an issue with it for over 30 years. I use a Palomar knot on all mono applications.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 10:08 PM
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Trilene 100% is on 12 of my rods and braid with Trilene 100% leaders on 3. Leaders are tied with FG knots all others palamor knots except loop knot on crank baits. I use KVD line conditioner when I put it on reels and spray it when line starts to curl. I only change line when spool gets too low, lasts for a long time.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/23/18 11:08 PM
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I get the small overrun loops at times but not big loops that hang on the reel. I try to clean out the small ones but it seem like any little kink in these lines damage them. Ive been using the Berley 100% Fluoro. Sorry you are having issues but it ain't the line.
Last edited by Ken A.; 02/23/18 11:09 PM.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/24/18 12:48 AM
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I use big game and berkley 100 and braid. I tie a palomar on all of them. It's been years since i had a break off.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: Ken A.]
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02/24/18 01:15 PM
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I get the small overrun loops at times but not big loops that hang on the reel. I try to clean out the small ones but it seem like any little kink in these lines damage them. Ive been using the Berley 100% Fluoro. Sorry you are having issues but it ain't the line. I agree with Ken. Berkley's fluoro has a good reputation. Good advice has been given by others; go conservative on your reel's breaks to reduce backlashes and get the hang of how it handles before backing the brakes off again. Wet your line while you're tightening down the knot (you don't have to tighten the knot much, just snug it down and leave half an inch or so tag). I use Palomar and San Diego Jam exclusively. Check your line regularly for damage above the lure. I may re-tie 20+ times during a day fishing rocky cover. You could also take a Q-tip and swirl it around the eyes of your rods to check for tiny abrasive spots. That is rare, but it's good to cover all the bases since you're having that much trouble with a good line. That being said, everyone puts out defective line from time to time. Maybe it was a bad spool?
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/24/18 03:19 PM
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Bigg Un
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I also use big game exclusively...and the BPS fluorocarbon...used both for years with no problems...not saying I don't break off but it's rare and usually results from damage to the line for one reason or another...the only knot I tie is the palomar...
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/24/18 04:38 PM
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Ive used T Line by Mason for nearly 30 years. As the new lines came out, I tried them. Nothing compares to T Line. Buy it online. Problem solved. http://www.masontackle.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=23
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/24/18 06:16 PM
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forkduc
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I just went from flouro back to big game. Tired of line breaking in the spool.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: Clark3]
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02/24/18 06:17 PM
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forkduc
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I like McCoy co-polymer also.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: bsouth401]
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02/24/18 08:19 PM
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I agree with the previous responders. Something is up somewhere. I used to try this and that line from time to time when I would here a good review but have always depended on Big Game. I'v had only one spool of Big Game that was questionable and I chunked it in the trash and bought amother one. I uses InvisX almost exclusively and until I figured out it's issue inherant to all fluorocarbon line I almost gave up on it. If you kink it up in a big birdnest it's pretty much toast. If you don't wet it before you cinch it up it you will burn it and snap! I tie a double San Diego knot with four wraps on 20 # Invix and I can pullt the boat with it! I also tie a polamar with Invix on a drop shot but pay real close attention to not crossing the line. Mono and braid I generally always use a polomar knot. I undertand your frustrations as I've been there. You may want to get a Q-tip or some cotton from a Cotton ball and check your guides for burs. This post is accurate based on my own experience and others I have fished with. I just keep it simple and use only fresh big game, or new braid, and a palomer knot and only one knot, no leaders. Thats just me though and I only fish a few ways so its easier. One overlooked thing is the eye of your hooks, sometimes they can cut your line-I often tie a dummy knot over those and cut it off so my real knot doesnt get near it, or use hooks that have a completely welded eye. Also, I like an oblong split ring or completely welded one over a circular one for similar reasons. I think we all have line frustrations at some point-weakest link that it is. Good line care, keeping fresh line, proper spooling, correct knot ties with lots of spit, using a reproducible knot, etc., are just part of learning how to fish well.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/25/18 01:46 PM
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I have to chime in on my experience with Flouro, always been a mono guy, Stren clear blue for over 40 years, old school I guess, never a problem, was going to Falcon last month everyone said spool up 17-20 lb test for all the brush, so I thought I might try some Flouro that everyone raves about, bought a spool of Invisix 20 lb, it was like spooling up wire, casted very bad, broke twice on the spool,half way thru the day, respooled with my old school mono, lesson learned for me
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/25/18 02:25 PM
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Hog Jaw
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Agree with all , double check everything starting from reel to first guide and during the day of fishing you might be surprised.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: senko9S]
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02/25/18 06:42 PM
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might try out P-Line Premium CX. it's a fluoro coated co-polymer that is fairly limp with good strength, and is also affordable and durable.. This^^^^^^^^ Also been using izorline with good results.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/25/18 08:22 PM
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I've found that fluoro over a certain line diameter is pretty forgiving. For invizX for instance, above about 14lb line you can be pretty sloppy with your knot and odds are you are going to be fine. With smaller fluoro though (less than 14lb) if you don't use the right knot and lubricate the daylights out of it you are going to burn the line on the cinch and it'll break easy. I always test my knots with a good pull when using fluoro.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/25/18 08:43 PM
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basscaster46
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I used Big Game for years but it seams like the quality is not what it was many years ago. It breaks and cuts easy as compared to 20 years ago. I started trying fluorocarbon and i got so frustrated with making a cast, watching my $10 crankbait fly out into the lake with $14 worth of the fluorocarbon line that broke in the middle of the spool go with it. Ive set the hook and had my line break I dont know how many times with both Big Game and Flouro not to mention the hours Ive spent in the bottom of the boat trying all of these new fan dangled knots for the flouro. I spend half my day jacking with this stuff. Please help! whats a good line that will last more than one day of fishing? I like the way the flouro feels and looks but dang. What knot is best. I try the professional YouTube knot with the three tag ends and "BINK" when I set the hook.
Thank you for your help in advance I use big game cant break it you must have another issue
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: jmo49]
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02/25/18 08:49 PM
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I have to chime in on my experience with Flouro, always been a mono guy, Stren clear blue for over 40 years, old school I guess, never a problem, was going to Falcon last month everyone said spool up 17-20 lb test for all the brush, so I thought I might try some Flouro that everyone raves about, bought a spool of Invisix 20 lb, it was like spooling up wire, casted very bad, broke twice on the spool,half way thru the day, respooled with my old school mono, lesson learned for me Ive tried floro did not like it way to much trouble back to big game also use mc coys copoly it is very good line. Doesnt have as much memory as big game. Only have problems big game when I leave it ona reel a long time without use. J D
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/26/18 10:45 PM
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Everywhere I look I see more complicated knots. Fortunately I have been getting by for years using the Palomar for fluorocarbon. I do it with a wrinkle that I got off the old Bass fishing Home Page website. I start by putting the line through the eye of the hook and then running it back through to form a loop. Then I tie a loose overhand knot and put the bait through it....all normal palomar procedure. Now I hold both the main line and the tag end and begin to start to pull the overhand knot down towards the lure to tighten. At this point you will see three loops, two of which point away from the lure and the other pointing toward the eye of the lure. I take this loop and pull it up the line above the other two. Then I wet this assembly and begin to gently tighten by alternately puling on the main line and then the tag end until they are close to the lure. At this point I continue alternately pulling until tight. This procedure has given me no problems with fluorocarbon when I am witnessing others having break offs with other knots. Now I'm not a seismic type hooksetter but I'm not breaking off now whereas I did in the past with other knots. For me, less complicated is better.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: DBFishing83]
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02/28/18 12:24 AM
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Just use Suffix Siege ...... best dang stuff in the world (IMHO) quite worrying about lure specific application, stretch / no stretch, sensitivity etc etc etc use either 12-14 for lighter stuff use 17 or 20 if you want heavier stuff the JUST FISH IT ....... no worries. just add an extra loop or two on the knot, it seems slippery. I fish 17 suffix seige in stumps, rocks and heavy weeds. The stuff just won't break!!!!!
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 01:01 AM
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Trilene 100% 12 to 15lb on drop shot. Mean Green on bottom baits 15 to 20lb. Big game on moving baits 10 to 12lb on deep divers 15 on all others.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 03:26 AM
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Bill Durham
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My experience over the years with floro has been just as frustrating at times as you have been going through. I started using it fishing a gin clear lake.. hence the motivation to fish with the line that the fish couldn't see. I didn't have success early on as I didn't know about wetting the knot.. that lesson cost me a few fish and baits! After that, I switched to Seaguar Invisix and have had much less problem with line breaking. But every now and then,. it still happens. I don't use full reels of Floro.. I use braid and floro leaders on my drop shot, deep cranking, CR, shakey head and jig rigs. On my rattle bait and shallow cranking rig.. Stren Low Viz Green.. 12lb test. I've used that brand of mono for a long time.. has always been quality. I still use the improved clinch knot to connect baits except drop shot.. Palomar on that one. I attach the floro leader to the braid with an Albright knot.. has worked great for me. I have been using a mono leader on my C Rig.. since it floats. Good luck with finding your solution.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 05:34 AM
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I guess I never fished with good mono because I can't notice a difference between mono and fluoro, minus the cost difference. Invisx is the first one I tried, now sunline sniper with no complaints about either. As stated above, I think there's another issue like a bad guide or something.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 08:00 AM
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The only things I use mono line for is a top water like a yellow magic or a walking top water bait. Braid for frogs and buzzbaits. Fluorocarbon line for everything else. I live on Lake Fork and fish it almost every day so I have tried almost every brand of fluorocarbon available and I have to say that I love the Sunline Shooter and Sniper fluorocarbon lines. No break offs! Another thing I really like about Sunline is the diameter of their line is a lot smaller than most other brands. Sunlines 20lb test line has the diameter of Seagar 17lb test or close to it anyway. So you can fish with a little stronger line and it will not hurt the amount of bites or take a way a baits action.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 11:52 AM
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Those small loops in your spool that you are having are causing your problem. They kink your line and if you make a cast with them still there your line will break and that seems to be what is happening. Set up your reel or practice thumbing the reel more so you get less over runs and that will help. When you have those loops down in the spool you MUST get them out before making a cast. Like someone else said, also check your rod guides because both of these lines should not break as much as they are for you.
If you want to try another line that isn't mono or a fluorocarbon then the three co-polymer lines previously suggested are good quality lines. P Line CX Premium McCoys Mean Green T Line by Mason
Last edited by ezbassin; 02/28/18 11:54 AM.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: bubbaque]
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02/28/18 12:00 PM
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ezbassin
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Just use Suffix Siege ...... best dang stuff in the world (IMHO) quite worrying about lure specific application, stretch / no stretch, sensitivity etc etc etc use either 12-14 for lighter stuff use 17 or 20 if you want heavier stuff the JUST FISH IT ....... no worries. just add an extra loop or two on the knot, it seems slippery. I fish 17 suffix seige in stumps, rocks and heavy weeds. The stuff just won't break!!!!! That's because it stretches and stretches and stretches. I tried it several years ago and unless they changed it, I thought it stretched like a rubber band. I couldn't stroke a jig with it correctly because it had too much stretch in it, but you are right, I never broke it....LOL it just keeps stretching.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: Bassalong]
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02/28/18 12:08 PM
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ezbassin
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Everywhere I look I see more complicated knots. Fortunately I have been getting by for years using the Palomar for fluorocarbon. I do it with a wrinkle that I got off the old Bass fishing Home Page website. I start by putting the line through the eye of the hook and then running it back through to form a loop. Then I tie a loose overhand knot and put the bait through it....all normal palomar procedure. Now I hold both the main line and the tag end and begin to start to pull the overhand knot down towards the lure to tighten. At this point you will see three loops, two of which point away from the lure and the other pointing toward the eye of the lure. I take this loop and pull it up the line above the other two. Then I wet this assembly and begin to gently tighten by alternately puling on the main line and then the tag end until they are close to the lure. At this point I continue alternately pulling until tight. This procedure has given me no problems with fluorocarbon when I am witnessing others having break offs with other knots. Now I'm not a seismic type hooksetter but I'm not breaking off now whereas I did in the past with other knots. For me, less complicated is better. That is the correct way to tie a Palomar Knot. After the loop goes over whatever you are tying on you pull the loops back away from it keeping it loose as you slowly tighten it up by pulling the main line and the tag line. That way the knot will stay loose right up to the point of getting tight. You do not burn the line that way. Now before you begin the knot you must not let the lines cross at any time. That will cause a break if they are crossed. I also make sure that the loop that went over the bait or eyelet of the hook tightens down between the eyelet and the knot instead of in front of the knot against the main line.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 12:15 PM
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hookinbass
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I use 15lb big game and a well lubed and Improved Clinch Knot.. no ssues with breaking.. couldnt get any simpler..
Last edited by hookinbass; 02/28/18 12:16 PM.
Lews Xtreme Angler Series Rods
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 01:52 PM
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catslayer
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It aint the line... your doing something funky. Wet and cinch your knots slow. I'm a fan of the double-uni knot personally, breaking in the spool makes me wonder where the line is when not in use? Inside? or at least in a garage? I hold NOTHING back on hook set with 20 lb sunline...
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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