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 Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 03:31 AM
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Hope this stays civil so it doesn't end up in bunker. What should be used to evaluate a person's stability for purchasing firearms? It seems that most agree that should be considered. Can it be done without walking all over one's constitutional rights? The FBI was given warning signs and did nothing. Planned Parenthood kills an average of 880 babies a day and no one says squat. Im not sure where you get most would agree from.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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02/19/18 03:34 AM
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I wonder if there could be a rule put into place where a person would have to have 2 living relatives that have known them at least 10 years to sign an affidavit confirming their mental capacity before being able to purchase certain firearms. At least that is a thoughtful idea and one that may actually have merit. The fact that we have seen so few suggestions is an indication of how difficult it will be to screen on the basis of mental stability. You are acting like your question was relevant, well-worded and that anyone agrees with its premise. What you just said is beyond me. As more and more info comes out about the shooter, nothing says he shouldve had access to guns. He was obviously crazy to anyone that spent any amount of time with him, except, apparently, the people he was living with the last three months, but they come off as not wanting any blame. "Nothing says he should've had access to guns." That is not the way it works. It would have to say he should not have access to guns. I seriously doubt that if the FBI had investigated as they should have done, they would have found evidence to take his guns away. I has to be pretty tangible evidence. The night before the massacre seemed just like any other, they said.
Cruz had some odd eating habits. He quietly put a chocolate chip cookie in his steak and cheese sandwich. He went to bed around 8 p.m., which wasnt unusual. Nothing was done and plenty couldve been done. Lets start with enforcing the rules on the books before we start making up reasons to restrict the rights of everyone else.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 04:10 AM
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Your premise is not something I agree with.
You seriously doubting something doesnt make it true. The FBI and the sheriffs department couldve done more. The school wouldnt let him bring a backpack to school.
Authorities missed big time. You just seem hellbent on adding new laws when laws were already in place and they did nothing.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 04:10 AM
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I have been a teacher/coach for30 years and I will tell you if teachers carried I would run out the front door. I trust myself but it ends there. I know this will upset some but when we allowed simiautomatic weapon sales we screwed up. I enjoy shooting guns and have had a blast shooting assault weapons but I would gladly give that up if there was a way to remove them. Second amendment fanatics may not understand why we were allowed to have guns. In 1789 if the government abused the people the people had aright to overthrow the tyrinacle government. That simply cant happen today. Finally someone who actually understands. Thanks. not really first automatic hand guns which most understand as semiautomatic, were produced in 1890's. AR's have never been fully automatic to the public. AR 15 are no different then any other semi auto gun except they can hold more rounds. The BAR is a semi auto rifle that has been sold since the early 1900. I think the first were WW1, also as is a ton of other rifles. I will say it again a pump shotgun with a 40 round clip will do much more damage then any AR 15 in close quarters. People should be glad he didn't go through that same hall way with a shotgun with 40 rounds of buckshot and killed 50 people in just a short time. Their is not going to be gun grab in this day in age in the USA with us having the right to own them. They were band in the 90's and we still didn't give them up. I guess until people decide they want to come up with a good answer we will just keep on arguing over this. We have rights that most will not give up so people can deceive them selves into believing taking guns will stop evil people.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: KQT]
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02/19/18 04:19 AM
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I have been a teacher/coach for30 years and I will tell you if teachers carried I would run out the front door. I trust myself but it ends there. I know this will upset some but when we allowed simiautomatic weapon sales we screwed up. I enjoy shooting guns and have had a blast shooting assault weapons but I would gladly give that up if there was a way to remove them. Second amendment fanatics may not understand why we were allowed to have guns. In 1789 if the government abused the people the people had aright to overthrow the tyrinacle government. That simply cant happen today. the main purpose of the second amendment is no self protection but designed so that the American people have access to arms similar to that of the government so we have the means to fight back in the case the government becomes tyrannical, I dont believe our government is safe in the sense of it cant become tyrannical, because it certainly can, and I dont think any true constitutionalist American would like to be fighting that government which has access to assault weapons with knives and sticks. The reality is, the second amendment is here to stay, and so are the assault weapons. There is no logical way to ramp up mental health screening without greatly compromising the rights of Americans and the government crossing the boundary of interference in our lives
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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02/19/18 04:26 AM
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You want to stop them do like they do in Israel, train people to guard the kids. Israel people live under a constant threat and know what to do. They all know how to use a actual automatic rifle, and not a semi auto AR 15, from when they were in the military. You stop the evil force with a bigger force.
I know this doesn't sit well with our Liberal friends but know one knows threats like the Jewish people do every day.
Israeli people will never give up their guns either. They know they need them to protect their families. I guess only a fool gives up his or her right to protect them selves to someone promising they will always take care of you. That lie has been told every time right before countries lost all their rights. Population of Israel: 8,819,200 Population of USA: 325,719,178 Area of Israel: 8,522 sq mi Area of USA: 3,796,742 sq mi Passenger Airports in Israel: 16 Passenger Airports in USA: 5,194 It is patently absurd to take the Israeli approach to security and think you can apply it to the USA. The mere size, scope, and cost to implement such a plan would be astronomical and destined for failure
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: Scagnetti]
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02/19/18 04:39 AM
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You want to stop them do like they do in Israel, train people to guard the kids. Israel people live under a constant threat and know what to do. They all know how to use a actual automatic rifle, and not a semi auto AR 15, from when they were in the military. You stop the evil force with a bigger force.
I know this doesn't sit well with our Liberal friends but know one knows threats like the Jewish people do every day.
Israeli people will never give up their guns either. They know they need them to protect their families. I guess only a fool gives up his or her right to protect them selves to someone promising they will always take care of you. That lie has been told every time right before countries lost all their rights. Population of Israel: 8,819,200 Population of USA: 325,719,178 Area of Israel: 8,522 sq mi Area of USA: 3,796,742 sq mi Passenger Airports in Israel: 16 Passenger Airports in USA: 5,194 It is patently absurd to take the Israeli approach to security and think you can apply it to the USA. The mere size, scope, and cost to implement such a plan would be astronomical and destined for failure Thats stupid if we want to it would not be hard at all. they use the people who are already there. they know what is at stake. I guess we can just say we CAN'T do it and let them kill more. We could take just a little of the money we give away every year and fund it. We already have armed security had airports. We only need a few of those guys at the schools. not hard if we want to try something instead of writing in a post we CAn'T we CAn't We can't
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 04:40 AM
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They are called TSA LOL I guess you haven't been in airport in the USA in about 20 years.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 04:42 AM
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The TSA is already trained in what to watch for and are already in most all towns just hire a few more and put in schools.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 04:51 AM
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Freedom isn't free folks.
Sh*t happens, taking guns away from crazy folks won't fix it. Plenty of ways to kill folks without using a gun.
As Americans we let the government go to far with gun registration and license. Now you have to take a mental test? No.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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02/19/18 04:59 AM
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You want to stop them do like they do in Israel, train people to guard the kids. Israel people live under a constant threat and know what to do. They all know how to use a actual automatic rifle, and not a semi auto AR 15, from when they were in the military. You stop the evil force with a bigger force.
I know this doesn't sit well with our Liberal friends but know one knows threats like the Jewish people do every day.
Israeli people will never give up their guns either. They know they need them to protect their families. I guess only a fool gives up his or her right to protect them selves to someone promising they will always take care of you. That lie has been told every time right before countries lost all their rights. Population of Israel: 8,819,200 Population of USA: 325,719,178 Area of Israel: 8,522 sq mi Area of USA: 3,796,742 sq mi Passenger Airports in Israel: 16 Passenger Airports in USA: 5,194 It is patently absurd to take the Israeli approach to security and think you can apply it to the USA. The mere size, scope, and cost to implement such a plan would be astronomical and destined for failure Thats stupid if we want to it would not be hard at all. they use the people who are already there. they know what is at stake. I guess we can just say we CAN'T do it and let them kill more. We could take just a little of the money we give away every year and fund it. We already have armed security had airports. We only need a few of those guys at the schools. not hard if we want to try something instead of writing in a post we CAn'T we CAn't We can't More government, higher taxes, more regulation, more bureaucracy, yeah that always fixes everything
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: Scagnetti]
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02/19/18 05:06 AM
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You want to stop them do like they do in Israel, train people to guard the kids. Israel people live under a constant threat and know what to do. They all know how to use a actual automatic rifle, and not a semi auto AR 15, from when they were in the military. You stop the evil force with a bigger force.
I know this doesn't sit well with our Liberal friends but know one knows threats like the Jewish people do every day.
Israeli people will never give up their guns either. They know they need them to protect their families. I guess only a fool gives up his or her right to protect them selves to someone promising they will always take care of you. That lie has been told every time right before countries lost all their rights. Population of Israel: 8,819,200 Population of USA: 325,719,178 Area of Israel: 8,522 sq mi Area of USA: 3,796,742 sq mi Passenger Airports in Israel: 16 Passenger Airports in USA: 5,194 It is patently absurd to take the Israeli approach to security and think you can apply it to the USA. The mere size, scope, and cost to implement such a plan would be astronomical and destined for failure Thats stupid if we want to it would not be hard at all. they use the people who are already there. they know what is at stake. I guess we can just say we CAN'T do it and let them kill more. We could take just a little of the money we give away every year and fund it. We already have armed security had airports. We only need a few of those guys at the schools. not hard if we want to try something instead of writing in a post we CAn'T we CAn't We can't More government, higher taxes, more regulation, more bureaucracy, yeah that always fixes everything TSA is already here no body said anything about higher taxes said take money we give to third world countries and use that here, No one said anything about more regulation just putting guards in place to protect kids. I guess if you can't get the guns you aren't worried about the kids
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/19/18 12:29 PM
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 Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
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02/19/18 02:03 PM
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Please avoid confusing facts.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
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02/19/18 02:15 PM
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