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#12622197 - 02/11/18 02:51 PM Keto Diet
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Has anyone else tried it?

The warden and I started it 3 weeks ago today. So far, I am 3.6lbs down and her 4.3lbs as of this morning.
Simple changes in diet, as in not eating grain based flours, instead using almond, coconut flours etc. Carbs and sugars aren't allowed and the weird thing on this is, you eat high fats foods. Lots of avocado's, good fat meats like salmon, beef and bacon is allowed too along with others. I can't even begin to explain it all, but you can Google it up for some knowledge and facts, lots of good meals to be had, and some great cook books out there. We've been finding most our recipes on Pinterest of all things.

Maybe it will benefit some of you trying to battle the bulge, or just drop that 10-15lbs or what ever your goal is.

I'll try and post updates as things move downwards on the scales. We aren't into full ketosis yet and not sure if we'll go that strong into the diet itself. So far, this has been one of the better diets with simple changes we've tried.

If this has already been discussed, feel free to delete.
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#12622737 - 02/11/18 07:59 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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my boss is doing it
what do they say
about vodka?

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#12623130 - 02/12/18 06:28 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Sounds like the Atkins diet

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#12623178 - 02/12/18 07:24 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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I have had some clients who have done well following the Keto plan however they found it best to cycle off after about 6 weeks and then back on after a 2 week break or so.

In addition, I had to counsel a client who had heart disease and countless cardiac issues on both sides of the family. Counter productive to introduce a high fat intake fueling program for someone with a history of heart issues. We agreed to: 1. Increase fluid intake daily - main source to be water; 2. Eat breakfast; 3. Decrease portion sizes; 4. Eat every 2 hours; 5. Walk or other measureable activity a minimum 3X/week.

He lost 2 pant sizes...
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#12623429 - 02/12/18 09:49 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: butch sanders]
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Originally Posted By: butch sanders
my boss is doing it
what do they say
about vodka?


Clear liquors are ok with club soda or tonic, in moderation of course.

Originally Posted By: H2O Seeker
I have had some clients who have done well following the Keto plan however they found it best to cycle off after about 6 weeks and then back on after a 2 week break or so.

In addition, I had to counsel a client who had heart disease and countless cardiac issues on both sides of the family. Counter productive to introduce a high fat intake fueling program for someone with a history of heart issues. We agreed to: 1. Increase fluid intake daily - main source to be water; 2. Eat breakfast; 3. Decrease portion sizes; 4. Eat every 2 hours; 5. Walk or other measureable activity a minimum 3X/week.

He lost 2 pant sizes...


Are you a doctor or PA?? Just curious, as you mentioned you had a client.
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#12623490 - 02/12/18 10:08 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Don't just pay attention to the carbs. You've got to watch out for all the other things that can get you into trouble too. Even though you're doing keto, you still want to limit your fats. Pay special attention to trans and saturated fats. You can get into trouble with those quickly. Cheese is my weak spot. I'd also recommend targeting low-carb foods that are high in HDL cholesterol. Almost by default, you can overwhelm your system with LDL cholesterol (the bad stuff). Leaning heavier on HDLs will help mitigate that. Avocados are great for this.

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#12623897 - 02/12/18 01:13 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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All I know is it's popular in the Trail and Ultra Running world. If they can run 100 miles on that diet, you will do fine! From what I am reading, you have to get to the point you start burning fat instead of carbs. Training your body to do what you want.

It's another diet with a cool name.....all diets cut out something....you just pick which food you don't mind missing out on.

For me.....I run a LOT so I can enjoy carbs and some sugars. smile
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#12623922 - 02/12/18 01:28 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Keto is short for Ketosis - very simple - no sugar, no grain.

This is exactly what I started late in September - down 30 pounds and feel as good as I have in years.

If I were an elite athlete there is no way I would chose this diet...not the case. I am a 55 year old man that got a bit over weight and really my body does not process sugar well. So I moved to a no sugar no grain diet. I follow Vinnie Tortorich on twitter (google #nsng) - he is a bit crewd but really is spot on with what he recommends if you are trying to get to a sustainable weight and and eating program.

Meats - fat content is not an issue
Veggies - most veggies are good - some have a lot of lectins which is a whole additional topic - I have cut lectins out as much as possible also
Fruits - berries and low sugar fruits - juices are for the most part glorified sugar drinks so I don't drink them
Nuts - Almonds, Walnuts, Macadamia Nuts are the best
Legumes - I will eat small amounts of legumes or beans...full once again of lectins - so my chili has no beans
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Dairy - I eat full fat dairy everything - extra heavy whipping crème is the bomb in coffee! No reduced fat as your body is fooled by this stuff and in many cases processes it just like sugar.

No artificial sweeteners - NONE, which I love - those are all poison IMO.

Stevia is made from real sugar I use it occasionally.

Very interesting discovery - Tortorich talks about how sugar creates hunger in a vicious cycle - after 10 days of no sugars and no grains I could feel my body change...I felt terrible for about two days and once I got through the Keto-Flu I have never looked back. I crave no sugar. Sat in an Italian place Saturday had veal, cauliflower and roasted veggies and did not crave pasta - Pasta used to be my very favorite carb (along with craft beer).

Alcohol - I drink Bourbon on Ice or Gin/Vodka Topo-Chico and real lime juice (from a lime). I do miss my beer and will have a few when I get to my goal of 210. 10 pounds to go.


This is not adkins in any way stretch or form. No grain...atkins is full of grains and fake sugar.
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#12624106 - 02/12/18 03:24 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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I'm currently on the EGG diet.
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#12624183 - 02/12/18 04:11 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST

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#12624220 - 02/12/18 04:30 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RatedG]
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Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.
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#12624476 - 02/12/18 07:00 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: Ranger Z21]
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Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.


this is good advice

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#12624498 - 02/12/18 07:13 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: Ranger Z21]
tsspencer2887 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.


No. Ketosis is a lifestyle change. The purpose of Keto is to alter the way that your body produces energy. Atkins is a short term diet program that consists of four phases. The first phase is the most restrictive (some users may experience Ketosis) and where most people see their greatest weight loss. As you progress through the program additional sources of carbs are added and you lose the Ketosis.

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#12624504 - 02/12/18 07:17 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: tsspencer2887]
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Originally Posted By: tsspencer2887
Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.




No. Ketosis is a lifestyle change. The purpose of Keto is to alter the way that your body produces energy. Atkins is a short term diet program that consists of four phases. The first phase is the most restrictive (some users may experience Ketosis) and where most people see their greatest weight loss. As you progress through the program additional sources of carbs are added and you lose the Ketosis.


There are safer ways to do it than this however. Best advice is see a registered dietitian who can map a plan that works best for your body/situation.


Edited by H2O Seeker (02/12/18 07:17 PM)
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#12624535 - 02/12/18 07:31 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: H2O Seeker]
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Originally Posted By: H2O Seeker
Originally Posted By: tsspencer2887
Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.




No. Ketosis is a lifestyle change. The purpose of Keto is to alter the way that your body produces energy. Atkins is a short term diet program that consists of four phases. The first phase is the most restrictive (some users may experience Ketosis) and where most people see their greatest weight loss. As you progress through the program additional sources of carbs are added and you lose the Ketosis.


There are safer ways to do it than this however. Best advice is see a registered dietitian who can map a plan that works best for your body/situation.


No argument here. I’m only pointing out that Keto and Atkins are not the same thing nor should they be represented as the same thing.

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#12625446 - 02/13/18 09:47 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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I go keto in the spring. Get off those 10-15# i put on over the winter. 6 weeks and hard work at the gym sheds it quick. then I just eat healthier and keep sugar out of my diet and I do not gain it back. If you do it. the keto flu kicks my butt. Take a magnesium supp (250mg morn, noon and night) and use a MCT oil supplement. really helps with the 5 days of discomfort.

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#12625495 - 02/13/18 10:05 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: Ranger Z21]
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Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise.


This is the root of it all. Calories in and calories out. Find that balance and you are golden. Take in too much "fuel" and you don't burn it...it goes into the fuel tank...aka fat. It's so simple people often overlook it.

Another reason to work out and burn calories!! Take it outdoors and enjoy the gifts!
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#12625839 - 02/13/18 01:05 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: H2O Seeker]
krawlin 47 Offline
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Originally Posted By: H2O Seeker
Originally Posted By: tsspencer2887
Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST


This. You have to make lifestyle changes and no one can do this the rest of their life. Plus huge health risks. Your body is built to run on carbs, protein and fats and it's all about portion control and exercise. Hopefully you all got your doctors approval before doing this and routine blood work to check your LDL levels which most likely will rise into unhealthful levels causing a whole different set of problems.




No. Ketosis is a lifestyle change. The purpose of Keto is to alter the way that your body produces energy. Atkins is a short term diet program that consists of four phases. The first phase is the most restrictive (some users may experience Ketosis) and where most people see their greatest weight loss. As you progress through the program additional sources of carbs are added and you lose the Ketosis.


There are safer ways to do it than this however. Best advice is see a registered dietitian who can map a plan that works best for your body/situation.


What do you find unsafe around Ketosis?
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#12625950 - 02/13/18 02:08 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RatedG]
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Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST

The only way to keep the weight from coming back is once you reach your target weight, start and slowly ramp up eating healthy carbs again but monitor how many grams you eat every day. Then also weigh yourself every day and as soon as you gain one pound determine how many carb grams you ate a couple of days before and that is your "target". If you never eat more than that amount of carbs you should never gain weight. For some people that "target" is very low. Mine is about 35 grams a day.
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#12625965 - 02/13/18 02:16 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Keto is a fad diet. I'd wager a majority of people on the diet never really reach ketosis. You can buy test strips on amazon for less than 10 bucks to confirm this for yourself. When you think you are in Ketosis [censored] on the test strip and it'll tell you to what degree. What you'll find is that you are not in fact in ketosis. Truly getting in ketosis requires extremely strict adherence to the diet coupled with multi-day fasts for most folks in most cases.

Sure you'll lose weight just like you would with Adkins. As others have stated though, it's just not sustainable for most people over the long haul. Diets that work with extremes are generally a bad idea.

The key is just calories in - calories burned. Create a 3500 calorie deficit for every pound you want to lose on a weekly basis. I'm down 27lbs since the start of the year. I'm going light on carbs, booze, and sugar. I'm also getting in some solid cardio 6 days a week.
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#12625979 - 02/13/18 02:24 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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I'm ordering strips today...should be interesting.
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#12626023 - 02/13/18 02:51 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: krawlin 47]
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krawlin, you might aswell order some red solo cups too. You gotta soak'm, can't tinkle or dribble on them. grin
3+ weeks in and we are both about at the 8-11 color range.


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#12626203 - 02/13/18 04:15 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RipDaLips®]
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Got them on the way from Amazon! Thanks for the heads up on the solo cups...made me laugh and go yuk.

I am very curious as to where I stand on this!
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#12626213 - 02/13/18 04:21 PM Re: Keto Diet [Re: RatedG]
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Originally Posted By: RatedG
Keto = Atkins.... No carbs. all protein and fats.. good way to shred weight off before a vacation.

But it will come back. FAST

Yup and all that protein plays havoc with your digestive system.
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#12627723 - 02/14/18 11:59 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: Jpurdue]
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Originally Posted By: Jpurdue
I'm also getting in some solid cardio 6 days a week.


That right there is WINNING stuff!! This will help you live longer!!

New study out this year proving it, 5 hours a week of cardio can reverse a lot of "bad" in a heart.
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#12629287 - 02/15/18 09:51 AM Re: Keto Diet [Re: Bass_Bustin_Texan]
krawlin 47 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bass_Bustin_Texan
Originally Posted By: Jpurdue
I'm also getting in some solid cardio 6 days a week.


That right there is WINNING stuff!! This will help you live longer!!

New study out this year proving it, 5 hours a week of cardio can reverse a lot of "bad" in a heart.


Completely agree! I am just starting the cardio and plan on doing this 5 hours a week on my rowing machine. Next will be my bike...I am looking forward to that!
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