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#12576450 - 01/13/18 07:37 AM All around fly rod combo help!! begainner!
justcameslabdaddy Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 01/29/14
Posts: 65
Loc: Ill
Can a guy get a 9wt combo for Saltwater and downsize the line for freshwater trout for smaller flies.
Trying not to spin a lot of money till i get this master.

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#12576475 - 01/13/18 08:01 AM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
karstopo Offline
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Registered: 05/22/16
Posts: 404
Loc: Brazoria County
Yes, you could use a 9 weight in the salt and then use it to streamer fish for freshwater water species like cold water trout. A 9 weight might be just the thing to sling those giant meaty articulated streamers like you see from Kelly Galloup at the Slide Inn.

Might be tough to get a delicate presentation on your dry flies with a 9 weight. You could try much lighter line, but then itís going to be tough to load the rod to cast. I once fished 5 weight line on a 7/8 weight rod because I grabbed the wrong reel and it was doable but not desirable. A 12Ē trout isnít going to bend a 9 weight much at all.,either.

But really big trout, really big or heavy streamers, really big water and your 9 weight might be fine or even just about right.

You could also downsize your salt combo depending on where and when and what you are typically going to pursue in the salt. A 7 weight will easily get it done for most Texas inshore situations and average casting type of skill. Iíve taken out my 4/5 weight CGR and tamed slot reds, but itís about having the right leader/tippet, smaller flies and not too much wind. Lots of folks fish 6 weights in the salt as their primary rod.

I do use an 8/9 weight inshore sometimes when itís windy or I need to sling something heavy. But Iíll fish when itís blowing 15 and a bunch of saltwater fly folks stay home when itís like that.

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#12576508 - 01/13/18 08:22 AM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
karstopo Offline
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Registered: 05/22/16
Posts: 404
Loc: Brazoria County
The first fly rod set up I got was a combo off STP. It was a 7weight, Gary Borger Pro rod made by Targus. The reel was a Ross and the line a mystery. The line was the worse part and I soon replaced it with Cortland 444 peach.

I used that both in the saltwater and on a trout stream. I first took it out in the marsh where I knew there would likely be redfish. Maybe 5 minutes into my paddle, sure enough, a red shows, I make the 25-30 foot cast, get the take and ping! The leader snapped. It was one of those tapered leaders, maybe a 3 or 4X that came with the combination and was not up to a mid slot redfish turning direction and a fly fisherman with poor line management.

I took the rod, reel, New Cortland line and a self tied leader on an Elk hunt situated next to a small/medium sized freestone stream. I tied up some bead head woolly buggers and caught a few rainbows and browns up to about 16-17Ē. They were wild fish and the current was strong and they were fun in spite of having a 7 weight.

That was thousands of dollars, a dozen or so rods and reels, and countless flies ago.


Edited by karstopo (01/13/18 08:23 AM)

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#12576822 - 01/13/18 12:39 PM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
Glitchmo Offline
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Registered: 05/08/16
Posts: 172
Honestly? No not really. You wouldn't fish reds with a tuna stick, and the same thing applies here.

Also depending on what you mean, you can't just "downsize the line." If you mean the leader, yes, you could use light leader on a heavier rod, but you can't (or wouldn't want to anyways) fish a 5wt fly line on a 9 weight rod.

My suggestion would be to buy the saltwater gear (8 or 9 weight, spend on the reel, save on the rod) and see if you like it. You can get a cheap (~$100) freshwater combo that will be just fine if you want as well.

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#12577024 - 01/13/18 03:28 PM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
Bass Bug Offline
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 23748
Loc: East Texas
trout and salty feeshes are world apart in approach & equipment, decide which you want more and get that first, then get the other, one size fits all rarely (if ever) fits fly fishing
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#12577726 - 01/14/18 07:00 AM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
karstopo Offline
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Registered: 05/22/16
Posts: 404
Loc: Brazoria County
Thereís also really serviceable 5 weight combos out there for around $100. My BIL picked up one off Amazon and it had line,leader, a few flies, plus the rod and reel. I cast the set up and thought it was super easy to cast. That could be your freshwater rig. Eagle claw makes a very popular fiberglass fly rod thatís super cheap. Quality Line can usually be found at discount on various web sites. The reel on a fresh water set up can be just about anything and can be had for very little. Itís typically a line storage device only. You can make your own leaders out of ordinary mono. Thereís tons of formulas out there, but I wouldnít get too worked up about making a perfect leader. Donít get caught up in having to buy tippet spools at Fly shop rates. That can happen later if you want.

I do a lot of my saltwater fly fishing here on the upper coast with slow fiberglass CGRs that cost me ~ $65. Iíve caught hundreds of fish on them including redfish, Speckled trout, flounder, Drum, croaker, and others. You donít normally need a several hundred dollar flats rod to connect with salty fish. Itís not long casting. If you can advance the line 40 feet, you are in the game. Shots and casts are often less than that. Iím not really advocating you get a 5/6 or 7/8 weight CGR for your saltwater rod, but know they are up to the task. The point is you donít need expensive gear to have a chance to have success in the saltwater fly scene at least inshore Texas.

Maybe you plan on going somewhere where you need to make long casts, but here in the upper and middle texas coast I just donít ever really run across those situations. Even some of the accounts I hear from tropical places like Mexico or Belize they arenít making long casts.

The reel you get should be machined aluminum and anodized. Thatís the main requirement for an inshore Texas saltwater fly reel. Cast aluminum doesnít do as well in our environment. I like sealed drags with synthetic materials like Rulon.

But Iím way in deep on this fly stuff. I usually carry 3 fly rod set ups strung and ready out on my kayak when Iím in the marsh or bay. Each one has a role so Iím all about a specialized rod for special tasks.

No two people that really get into fly fishing ever make the same choices. There are just too many variables and options. You will get the wrong stuff, spend too much, spend too little, possibly regret purchases. Your tastes will change the more you fish and cast. Itís on the job learning and some things are impossible to know until youíve been out there a while. Youíll think, boy, I wish I had a rod for this or that. Many people way into fly fishing end up with somewhere north of ten rods.

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#12579104 - 01/14/18 11:19 PM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: karstopo]
Canoeman1947 Online   content
Green Horn

Registered: 03/13/16
Posts: 19
"Many people way into flyfishing end up with somewhere north of ten rods."

I hate to admit it, but I'm somewhere north of 30 rods by this time and still going. I swore I would stop acquiring rods when I retired, but my resolve has been weak. I may have to go through some type of 12 step program. Aw, I think it's just the winter time blues. When the weather is nice, I'm out fishing. When it's cold and I stay at home, I find myself online, looking at rods and reels. It's all Al Gore's fault. If he hadn't invented the Internet, I wouldn't be in this fix. hooked

Larry

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#12579141 - 01/15/18 03:46 AM Re: All around fly rod combo help!! begainner! [Re: justcameslabdaddy]
kaboboom Online   content
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Registered: 08/31/08
Posts: 142
This won't help OP very much, but way back in the bamboo era, they made 8 wt 3 piece rods, and provided a different handle to use the two skinnier pieces to convert to a 4 wt. I bought one of these 8 wts, and I had (believe it or not) a telescoping steel fly rod from the early 1900s I used for wall decoration (well, actually, as an antennae for my old tube radio). I was a simple matter to un-solder the steel rods reel seat/handle, and use that to covert to a bamboo 4 wt. Why doesn't some rod maker do that today? My guess...so you have to buy more rods. Today's multi-piece rods, say, a 6 piece 8 WT could allow the same conversion using 4 pieces. You'd probably want two handles...the larger with a fighting butt, but it would seem pretty straightforward. Sorry if this came out as a rant...

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