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#12499186 - 11/10/17 10:53 AM Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference?
Dakota Jones Fishing Offline
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Hey all,

Does anyone have any thoughts on Florida Strain bass and how they may act differently than a Northern Strain?I am curious to hear what some have encountered.

Also, if you have some time, go check out a new article I posted "Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference?" Luckily I had the opportunity to talk with specialist Richard Ott of TPWD. He was willing to share some very helpful insight on Florida Strain genetics and I am glad to be able to share his knowledge in this new article. Give it a look and let me know what you think in the comments section!

www.dakotajonesfishing.com http://dakotajonesfishing.com/florida-strain-largemouth-bass-vs-northern-strain-whats-difference/




Edited by Dakota Jones Fishing (11/10/17 11:48 AM)

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#12499196 - 11/10/17 11:01 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
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All you have to do is say the words "Cold Front" or "Rising Pressure" and Florida bass get lock jaw! IMO Florida strain fish are much more finiky and definitely more affected by weather changes than northern strain. Floridas grow big, but lakes with a larger population of northern strain fish make for better fishing overall.. again IMO as I am not a biologist.
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#12499217 - 11/10/17 11:13 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: buda13]
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Originally Posted By: buda13
All you have to do is say the words "Cold Front" or "Rising Pressure" and Florida bass get lock jaw! IMO Florida strain fish are much more finiky and definitely more affected by weather changes than northern strain. Floridas grow big, but lakes with a larger population of northern strain fish make for better fishing overall.. again IMO as I am not a biologist.


My opinion exactly. I lived in South Florida for 20 years, so I have a lot of experience with 100% Florida gene reputation. It is my opinion that the negative side of Florida strain bass is one factor involved when older anglers talk about how such and such lake "used to be" and how the fishing has declined. Part of what happened is that TPWD fouled the gene pool in those lakes with Florida strain bass.

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#12499222 - 11/10/17 11:18 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
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#12499280 - 11/10/17 12:25 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
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Northern Strain know what real perch are. Southern and Florida bass call anything smaller than your hand a perch.
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#12499301 - 11/10/17 12:44 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
OzzieFish Offline
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Northern Bass will bite most of the time I'm told...

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#12499489 - 11/10/17 04:16 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Flippin-Out]
Ken A. Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Originally Posted By: buda13
All you have to do is say the words "Cold Front" or "Rising Pressure" and Florida bass get lock jaw! IMO Florida strain fish are much more finiky and definitely more affected by weather changes than northern strain. Floridas grow big, but lakes with a larger population of northern strain fish make for better fishing overall.. again IMO as I am not a biologist.


My opinion exactly. I lived in South Florida for 20 years, so I have a lot of experience with 100% Florida gene reputation. It is my opinion that the negative side of Florida strain bass is one factor involved when older anglers talk about how such and such lake "used to be" and how the fishing has declined. Part of what happened is that TPWD fouled the gene pool in those lakes with Florida strain bass.


I agree with most of what you have said. However.............

That "fouled gene pool" you speak of is what put the State of Texas on the map with regards to Double Digit bass in the last 30 years. Had it not been for the efforts of TPWD we would still be calling a 6 pounder a Giant. thumb


Edited by Ken A. (11/10/17 04:19 PM)

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#12499496 - 11/10/17 04:24 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Ken A.]
GIG'EM AGGIES Online   content
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Originally Posted By: Ken A.
Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Originally Posted By: buda13
All you have to do is say the words "Cold Front" or "Rising Pressure" and Florida bass get lock jaw! IMO Florida strain fish are much more finiky and definitely more affected by weather changes than northern strain. Floridas grow big, but lakes with a larger population of northern strain fish make for better fishing overall.. again IMO as I am not a biologist.


My opinion exactly. I lived in South Florida for 20 years, so I have a lot of experience with 100% Florida gene reputation. It is my opinion that the negative side of Florida strain bass is one factor involved when older anglers talk about how such and such lake "used to be" and how the fishing has declined. Part of what happened is that TPWD fouled the gene pool in those lakes with Florida strain bass.


I agree with most of what you have said. However.............

That "fouled gene pool" you speak of is what put the State of Texas on the map with regards to Double Digit bass in the last 30 years. Had it not been for the efforts of TPWD we would still be calling a 6 pounder a Giant. thumb


Agreed, if it weren't for TP&W my PB wouldn't be 14.19. Before Lake Fork, TP&W's pride and joy, anglers were mounting 7 lb'ers. I saw a few of them. Now a lot of 7 lb'ers are slot fish.
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#12499499 - 11/10/17 04:33 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
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#12499530 - 11/10/17 05:16 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Dakota Jones Fishing]
Flippin-Out Offline
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Registered: 02/25/15
Posts: 2018
Loc: Magnolia, TX
Northern strain bass will grow to some nice weights, not just "6 pounds". Over the years, I've caught numerous eight pound bass from a pond my grandfather stocked in the 1950s - sure to have only Northern-strain genes.

Today's lakes have a number of positive differences that affect creel statistics; it is NOT all about having introduced Florida-strain genes. The water and habitat management may even be better than it once was. The gotcha is in that "big fish" so many get focused on - but so few catch. The number of DD bass caught in the minds of anglers is also larger than if all the fish were put on scales. The percentage of anglers who have actually caught a DD bass remains small. MILLIONS of angling hours go into bass fishing annually in Texas, yet, just how many DD bass get reported? ...or turned into the Lunker program. After all that money, and all the years, I doubt the catch rate for DD has changed by even 1%.

We have given up a population of MILLIONS of what would have been more easily "catchable" 5-8 pounders for the chance (not definite outcome) to catch an extremely rare DD bass. Many "zero" days would not be zero days, but hey, you had a chance to catch that DD you didn't catch either, right?

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#12499540 - 11/10/17 05:28 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Flippin-Out]
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Registered: 05/14/14
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Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Northern strain bass will grow to some nice weights, not just "6 pounds". Over the years, I've caught numerous eight pound bass from a pond my grandfather stocked in the 1950s - sure to have only Northern-strain genes.

Today's lakes have a number of positive differences that affect creel statistics; it is NOT all about having introduced Florida-strain genes. The water and habitat management may even be better than it once was. The gotcha is in that "big fish" so many get focused on - but so few catch. The number of DD bass caught in the minds of anglers is also larger than if all the fish were put on scales. The percentage of anglers who have actually caught a DD bass remains small. MILLIONS of angling hours go into bass fishing annually in Texas, yet, just how many DD bass get reported? ...or turned into the Lunker program. After all that money, and all the years, I doubt the catch rate for DD has changed by even 1%.

We have given up a population of MILLIONS of what would have been more easily "catchable" 5-8 pounders for the chance (not definite outcome) to catch an extremely rare DD bass. Many "zero" days would not be zero days, but hey, you had a chance to catch that DD you didn't catch either, right?


Don't have any factual statistics that prove the catch rate of DD bass before and after Florida strain were introduced but I'm sure TP&W does if anyone is really interested. All I know is I caught mine and very pleased with it. Sitting here staring at it right now. smile
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#12499782 - 11/10/17 09:16 PM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: GIG'EM AGGIES]
otay michael Offline
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Registered: 02/22/04
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Loc: Del Mar N.San Diego county
Originally Posted By: GIG'EM AGGIES
Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Northern strain bass will grow to some nice weights, not just "6 pounds". Over the years, I've caught numerous eight pound bass from a pond my grandfather stocked in the 1950s - sure to have only Northern-strain genes.

Today's lakes have a number of positive differences that affect creel statistics; it is NOT all about having introduced Florida-strain genes. The water and habitat management may even be better than it once was. The gotcha is in that "big fish" so many get focused on - but so few catch. The number of DD bass caught in the minds of anglers is also larger than if all the fish were put on scales. The percentage of anglers who have actually caught a DD bass remains small. MILLIONS of angling hours go into bass fishing annually in Texas, yet, just how many DD bass get reported? ...or turned into the Lunker program. After all that money, and all the years, I doubt the catch rate for DD has changed by even 1%.

We have given up a population of MILLIONS of what would have been more easily "catchable" 5-8 pounders for the chance (not definite outcome) to catch an extremely rare DD bass. Many "zero" days would not be zero days, but hey, you had a chance to catch that DD you didn't catch either, right?


Don't have any factual statistics that prove the catch rate of DD bass before and after Florida strain were introduced but I'm sure TP&W does if anyone is really interested. All I know is I caught mine and very pleased with it. Sitting here staring at it right now. smile


I can't see my lunkers, per se, as they are still swimming around at the lakes I caught, and released, them at. ;/) But I've got great enlargement photos of them with me holding them up, with the lure hanging from their mouths, then framed with the actual lure in the frame too! Beats having to dust off an old, dead bass hanging on the wall too, and takes up less space, and lets another angler or two have the pleasure of landing it too. cheers

Here we've got both types of bass, mostly Floridas, which are very finicky over the northerns. I've noticed, pound for pound, the northerns fight harder. Nobody mentions that I've noticed.
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#12499898 - 11/11/17 05:35 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: otay michael]
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Registered: 05/14/14
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Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: otay michael
Originally Posted By: GIG'EM AGGIES
Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Northern strain bass will grow to some nice weights, not just "6 pounds". Over the years, I've caught numerous eight pound bass from a pond my grandfather stocked in the 1950s - sure to have only Northern-strain genes.

Today's lakes have a number of positive differences that affect creel statistics; it is NOT all about having introduced Florida-strain genes. The water and habitat management may even be better than it once was. The gotcha is in that "big fish" so many get focused on - but so few catch. The number of DD bass caught in the minds of anglers is also larger than if all the fish were put on scales. The percentage of anglers who have actually caught a DD bass remains small. MILLIONS of angling hours go into bass fishing annually in Texas, yet, just how many DD bass get reported? ...or turned into the Lunker program. After all that money, and all the years, I doubt the catch rate for DD has changed by even 1%.

We have given up a population of MILLIONS of what would have been more easily "catchable" 5-8 pounders for the chance (not definite outcome) to catch an extremely rare DD bass. Many "zero" days would not be zero days, but hey, you had a chance to catch that DD you didn't catch either, right?


Don't have any factual statistics that prove the catch rate of DD bass before and after Florida strain were introduced but I'm sure TP&W does if anyone is really interested. All I know is I caught mine and very pleased with it. Sitting here staring at it right now. smile


I can't see my lunkers, per se, as they are still swimming around at the lakes I caught, and released, them at. ;/) But I've got great enlargement photos of them with me holding them up, with the lure hanging from their mouths, then framed with the actual lure in the frame too! Beats having to dust off an old, dead bass hanging on the wall too, and takes up less space, and lets another angler or two have the pleasure of landing it too. cheers

Here we've got both types of bass, mostly Floridas, which are very finicky over the northerns. I've noticed, pound for pound, the northerns fight harder. Nobody mentions that I've noticed.


I had every intention of releasing mine but the store owner there at Lunker Lodge ask if he could keep her in his aquarium there for his customers to see. I said OK but after the McDonalds Big Bass tournament is over I want to release her back. Unfortunately about a week later she jumped out of the aquarium one night and he found her dead the next morning so I had her mounted. By the way, how big were your LUNKERS ? Until you know the facts you should hold off on your digs about someone mounting a fish. Guess you are aware that all the former state record bass have died and have been mounted. The ones you released have probably died too and the turtles ate them.
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#12500122 - 11/11/17 11:13 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: GIG'EM AGGIES]
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Originally Posted By: GIG'EM AGGIES

I had every intention of releasing mine but the store owner there at Lunker Lodge ask if he could keep her in his aquarium there for his customers to see. I said OK but after the McDonalds Big Bass tournament is over I want to release her back. Unfortunately about a week later she jumped out of the aquarium one night and he found her dead the next morning so I had her mounted. By the way, how big were your LUNKERS ? Until you know the facts you should hold off on your digs about someone mounting a fish. Guess you are aware that all the former state record bass have died and have been mounted. The ones you released have probably died too and the turtles ate them.


Good lord.... I remember Scot Wishart specifically telling me about your fish jumping out of his aquarium. He was sick about it.

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#12500140 - 11/11/17 11:35 AM Re: Florida Strain Largemouth Bass vs. Northern Strain; What’s the Difference? [Re: Ken A.]
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Originally Posted By: Ken A.
Originally Posted By: GIG'EM AGGIES

I had every intention of releasing mine but the store owner there at Lunker Lodge ask if he could keep her in his aquarium there for his customers to see. I said OK but after the McDonalds Big Bass tournament is over I want to release her back. Unfortunately about a week later she jumped out of the aquarium one night and he found her dead the next morning so I had her mounted. By the way, how big were your LUNKERS ? Until you know the facts you should hold off on your digs about someone mounting a fish. Guess you are aware that all the former state record bass have died and have been mounted. The ones you released have probably died too and the turtles ate them.


Good lord.... I remember Scot Wishart specifically telling me about your fish jumping out of his aquarium. He was sick about it.


Yeah I was sick about it too. He was so apologetic. He hated it worse than I did. He was a good guy.
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