Anyone on here own a Gen 2 Raptor? Just put a deposit on one and am picking it up Saturday. Was just wanting to know the good, bad, and ugly.

You're going to have to let me test drive it to develop an opinion.

Crew Cab does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. Sadly the wife wasn't impressed when she drove it yesterday. I guess she was expecting it to perform like her 2017 Mustang GT. I told her I'd gladly race her in the dirt

You put a deposit on a 60 or 70k + dollar truck and don't know the good bad and ugly yet?

Good = great off road
Bad = poor payload/weight carrying capacity
Ugly = cost

Actually I was just wanting to hear from any owners out there. Everyone local I've talked to loves them but one. His complaint was because its footprint is 6" wider then stock it tends to wander of some of our wonderful roads. Oh and the rear will sag with a pallet of feed.
Picking it up tomorrow morning.
Oh and the MSRP on this one is a little over 71k but no rape tax, most dealers are selling for 5-10k over msrp.

Be sure to share some pics!

Could have bought a Tundra Pro for a lot less and got a better truck. Dealer offered me one at MSRP. I emailed him back and said that I do not pay MSRP for anything. He got a little touchy after that. I am not
sure what the Raptor has that you cannot add to a regular F150. I would think that like the Tundra you could build your own and have a better truck.

Don't think the Tundra has a 450hp/510tq engine.

You should probably do a little more research before jumping to conclusions. First off the Raptor is part of Fords SVT program and even though Ford cranks out about 700k trucks a year only 20k are Raptors a year are made. Simple supply and demand. Average selling price is about 5k over msrp and in bigger cities its about 10k. Currently used 17's bring MSRP at auction. Now that the exclusivity is out of the way lets talk about the truck itself. Little things like 14" of wheel travel, reinforced frame, 6" wider stance, 3" Fox shocks, 4.10 gears, 450HP/510tq, 0-60 in 5.1 sec. All with a factory warranty. Not knocking Toyota's feeble attempt with their TRD package but its mostly just shocks and decals. And FWIW I've owned several Toyota trucks and had problems with every single one of them. Not saying the fords I've owned are better but personally I've had less problems with them so I just dont see where Toyota's are better.

I will as soon as I can figure out how to convert these iPhone pics with a silly file extension that don't work on here.

Yea if you want to win Baja with a warranty, buy a raptor. Let�s not forget about the bending of the frame behind the cab designed IN the structure of the truck to save your $20K shocks.

450hp, that�s cute. I can get that with a tune out of a 6.2 GM engine, 550HP with just a tune on an LBZ Duramax, no warranty voided, and I still have a usable truck. I can build a raptor level truck from any other manufacturer with out voiding the warranty for less that the price of a raptor. Personally, I don�t care about the exclusivity. I would much rather be proud that I built it and didn�t buy it.

Because sometimes....waist high waders just aren't enough.

TRD Pro is a much different than a plain ole TRD OR. I will have to do some research because I had heard that the Raptor now had the 3.5 Eco Boost. Even with the higher trade in value I am still not sure that the Raptor is worth 70k. Trade in value only comes in to play when you sell. You can still take a TRD Pro (which has Fox remote res front and rear) and add a supercharger and some other goodies and save thousands.

But the Yota IMO has no where near as nice a ride or creature comforts.

These are not the trucks you are looking for......

Tough crowd, couldn't imagine how you'd really make fun of me if you saw me fishing with my Snoopy reels.

Ha! We have a few anti-ford fascists around here. I was trying to back you right up until that last post. You are now on your own.

As is the case with a lot of specialty vehicles, you can get the same performance cheaper by building that kind of vehicle than buying one new.

For the price of the SRT10 �viper truck� when new, I could easily build a 408 LSX engine with a twin turbo set up, T6060/T56 transmission, drop it in to an s10 or Colorado/canyon truck, C6ZO6 IRS rear end with a LSD and quick change diff, add some carbon fiber/fiber glass body pannels and absolutely wool up on the SRT10 RAM and still have cash left over.

Same thing with the SVT F150 Raptor. With SEMA fighting for your right federally behind the scenes, there are actually very few bolt on aftermarket modification that you can install on you new vehicle that will void your factory warranty. Shoot, a pro charger blower will not void your factory warranty as long as it�s carb complient and certified.

I�m a GM guy. But the eco boost family of engines I love, late model Scorpion 6.7 powerstroke engine are amazing, and the power plants that Mazda is developing as wall as an Australian company are developing really apart my interest.

No arguments about what kind of toys you could build with 70k but still not a factory production vehicle. Oh as as far as Fords Power Stroke goes that's what I traded in. Had it 5 years and over 80k miles without an issue. Dang thing could probably rip the lid off of he!! with a big enough chain.

You will like the truck. Everything else on here are opinions and we all know that everyone has one...

yep, CR has one too. Tundra rated 85 out of 100 on reliability and Ford 47. I have owned 8 Fords and all but one was in the the shop for something before logging 50k on odo.

On my 10th Ford and had two in prior to 50k. One for a belt tension pulley, squealed on start up. One for a recall on the locks.

And last poll I looked at, Ford and Chevy beat Toyota in reliability.

I was under the impression that newer GM, Ford and Dodge vehicles recorded changes to parameters and would deny a warranty claim if found. Please explain how you make changes without leaving a footprint.

Magnuson Act states that they have to directly link the mod to the failure. I am sure the car manufacturers know ways around it if they want to.

I don't know how you could defend a tune, though. You are operating the engine outside it's normal parameters. If the engine fails, how would you know or prove that the tune didn't cause it? You are better off sticking with oem parts or equivalents throughout the warranty period imo.

I've seen one tune that was a plug in under the hood that said it left no footprint but I think flashing the computer is a dead give away.

Lol, ill let you and your attorney defend that to the warranty people.

I'll say this much. I was a sales manager for a Ford dealership for about 7 years. Left it behind about 3 years ago. I know for fact on Fords and I'm almost certain all other manufacturers, if you plug in a tuner it will be recorded in the ecm and even after you remove it leaves a footprint. So when you have a drive train related issue the manufacturer knows. For all that think a dealer can side skirt this and do the customer right WRONG, dealers don't have a say in the matter. All vehicles have to be connected online and the manufacturer makes those decisions based on the data collected, not the dealers diagnosis. I personally witnessed it on a 2013 F250 Platinum. Customers custom pimped out truck was towed in. Airbag suspension, ton's of stereo equipment, wheels, tires and a fist sized whole in the side of the block with only 11k miles on the odometer. Ford denied warranty, customer threatened to sue. Ford provided proof of a tuner being plugged in and with that the customer couldn't find a lawyer within 500 miles that would take the case. Cost his dumb [censored] almost 20k for a new motor.

Ok I finally figured out how to convert iPhone PNG files to JPG. Here's a couple of pics

Good looking truck.

Nice!!!!

No need to. The the burden of proof that a modification was/is the cause of the failure. And a tune doesn�t have to leave a foot print, much less it�s even harder to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a tune is the cause of any specific drivetrain failure.

EFI live as a consumer product dosent leave a foot print. Calibrated power solutions; duramax tuner does, for example, even though they use EFILive. But that is because the lock the tune files. This dosent lock the ECM/PCM. Dealership scanning equipment dosent have the ability to look at what is the desired operating parameters and the look up tables for corrections. All OBD 2 diagnostic scanners that have the most ability can live stream view a limited number, or field of view, of what the desired operating parameters are, and what the actual data is, of the specific system(s) that the scanner has the ability to monitor. The only thing the �lock� does is keep other persons or companies from downloading the �tuned� files and selling/using them as their own;pirating the tune. And the lock is nothing more than a password protected file. Some of the larger, plug and play uploadable tuners leave a finger print, but it�s typically 1-2 characters different in the name of the files than the factory files. Once more, it�s easily over written by nothing more than a reflash; you upload a $400 tune file on to your truck. The manufacturer comes out with a software update for, say the on board compass. You take it in, they upload the up date and you drive away wondering what happed to your power. The update they flashed on to your computer isn�t just one line of code for just that one thing. It�s not that easy. Doing that can and has corrupted ECM/PCMs in the past. So now they completely re-write the whole file, though everything is the same but for that one part that is now updated. And again, in court, your going to be hard pressed to prove that because I put a cold air intake, full exhaust system and reflashed my computer my transmission snapped the input shaft, for example. � Is Said Input shaft is rated for XYZ LB/FT of torque, Mr. engineer?� �So please explain to the court how this engine, with the modifications (invert dealer name or manufacturer here) states it has, produced ABC LB/FT of torque repeatedly on an engine dyno, witch is less than the rated capacity of the inputshaft, caused the input shaft to fail?� Is about how most of those cases will and have gone. Dealership/manufacturer flips the bill for all the legal fees, diagnostic and investigations involved, and makes the repair to the vehicle. Most places will try to bully you around. Push back and I bet they bow out and get you squared away. This is why you see more and more manufacturers selling their own aftermarket parts. If that can�t void the warranty and make you pay for repairs, they can offer you the parts you want and/or are going to by anyways. And at the end of the day, they want to make money, not lose it.

I know for a FACT I�ve SEEN, working at multiple GM dealers, that there this is more so a poor choice of tuner.

Again, sure, if you use a banks bully dog GT tuner, it�s going to leave its mark, much less the fact that there is an aftermarket display, aftermarket wire harness and aftermarket/external module that is visibly and physically there.

In the case you stated above, there was way more to it than JUST a tuner on that engine to cause that kind of damage to the engine, especially a 6.7; the connecting rod are huge. JUST a tuner engine failure is going to be EGT/combustion heat related and/or cylinder pressure related; melted pistons/rings/turbo, head gasket failure, things like that. This is from advancing injection trimming to far advanced, injecting way to much fuel, increasing boost pressures to much. That kind of failure, if the result of engine modifications, a significant increase in fueling and air flow while allowing the engine to over speed while injection timing is being advanced way to far. IE; propane injection with nitrous on a tune that will let the engine rev past red line, or over fueling it while past redline. Ether way, that customer was an idiot.

I have personally wittiness push back from ford and GM about tuned vehicles and warranty work. Most of the time, the warranty is honored. I also have personally witnessed I can�t count how many vehicles go in to the dealership with tunes and other aftermarket upgrades for drivetrain warranty work and no one says a word about the performance goodies. In the end, don�t be an idiot with upgrades; run 48� IROKs on a stock transmission and transfer case and try to make 1K HP with out ever upgrading the engine internals and expect the truck to be a daily driver and think the manufacturer is going to honor the warranty.