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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TDR2]
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10/14/17 01:45 AM
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RedEar12
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I think it will be good for the lake, especially with the plant not running consistently the last 6 years. I bet the grass makes a rebound now that they aren't worried about it getting into the intake. The cold side was so good back when it had grass. It will be fun to fish year round.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TDR2]
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10/14/17 02:43 AM
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Cypress Springs Guy
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There was some talk of part of Monticello being closed for some sort of construction a few weeks ago Any truth to that.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TDR2]
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10/14/17 12:18 PM
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bush hog
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Monticello, Big Brown and Sandow will all be shut down come January unless ERCOT says no. Martin Creek has a few more years if all goes well but ya never know these days. Hate seeing my friends lose their jobs.
To whom much is given, much is required.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TinRangerJim]
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10/14/17 02:09 PM
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TOMCAT21
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Trump will probably get the blame. Watch for it on the news. lol I bet Bush is glad they are blaming someone else for a change. It probably dates back to Obama's "War On Coal" Coal regs certainly played a role but the expanded use of fracking and the resulting increase in natural gas supply and cheaper natural gas prices drove much of this. Plants that were too expensive to convert to gas or could not burn coal and gas were doomed. Same will happen with wind farms as current components age out and they cannot be economically refurbished/replaced.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TOMCAT21]
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10/14/17 02:41 PM
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PaPa@fork
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Trump will probably get the blame. Watch for it on the news. lol I bet Bush is glad they are blaming someone else for a change. It probably dates back to Obama's "War On Coal" Coal regs certainly played a role but the expanded use of fracking and the resulting increase in natural gas supply and cheaper natural gas prices drove much of this. Plants that were too expensive to convert to gas or could not burn coal and gas were doomed. Same will happen with wind farms as current components age out and they cannot be economically refurbished/replaced. ^^^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^^^ You hit the nail on head.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
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#12465417
10/14/17 03:33 PM
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TDR2
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There are rumors that Luminant's plant on Lake Ray Hubbard is being brought back online pretty soon. Lots of stuff going on at the plant lately. Any insight from the community?
P1
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
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#12465423
10/14/17 03:36 PM
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Okie Poke
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TOMCAT21]
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10/14/17 03:52 PM
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C.Seymour
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[/quote] Coal regs certainly played a role but the expanded use of fracking and the resulting increase in natural gas supply and cheaper natural gas prices drove much of this. Plants that were too expensive to convert to gas or could not burn coal and gas were doomed. Same will happen with wind farms as current components age out and they cannot be economically refurbished/replaced. [/quote] They will have to completely get rid of production tax credits for it to happen to wind farms, currently I know of several farms that are already upgrading on the farm. Basically decommissioning / tearing down the old turbines and building new ones right beside them. New technology will increase MW output and drastically increase revenue with PTC's.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: TOMCAT21]
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10/14/17 03:54 PM
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921 Phoenix
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Trump will probably get the blame. Watch for it on the news. lol I bet Bush is glad they are blaming someone else for a change. It probably dates back to Obama's "War On Coal" Coal regs certainly played a role but the expanded use of fracking and the resulting increase in natural gas supply and cheaper natural gas prices drove much of this. Plants that were too expensive to convert to gas or could not burn coal and gas were doomed. Same will happen with wind farms as current components age out and they cannot be economically refurbished/replaced. This partially true. When Obama put the regulations in he also put in the action to pay the difference between what it cost to use gas versus coal and tax savings to change plants from coal to gas it would all have to be reversed and that cost money. Coal is still cheaper if its one to one and no government help. Gas has to get to about 1.70 to 2.00 per thousand to equal the price of gas versus coal. They can not use gas without the payments from the government and come out. The biggest problem for the coal plants is these are presidents using the pen and the next one may reverse Trumps decision so its not worth the added expense to change back just to lose it again next president. I think if Trump could have put it through congress then the coal plants would come back.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
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10/15/17 01:26 AM
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machinist
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Its all about money. Remember when Harvey came along and we had the gas panic. Well gas here in Graham went to $2.55. Now its been 2 months and every person in the state knows there wasn't a gasoline shortage, gas is still $2.50 here. Supply and demand they say. BS But back to the plants being shut down. They will take over 4,000 MWs of electricity off the market. H'mmm now we are short on power so they can charge more for it because of supply and demand. Does this sound familiar? When your electric bill goes up next year remember I told you so.
I fish on the edge and stay out of the middle
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: machinist]
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10/15/17 02:00 PM
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C.Seymour
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Its all about money. Remember when Harvey came along and we had the gas panic. Well gas here in Graham went to $2.55. Now its been 2 months and every person in the state knows there wasn't a gasoline shortage, gas is still $2.50 here. Supply and demand they say. BS But back to the plants being shut down. They will take over 4,000 MWs of electricity off the market. H'mmm now we are short on power so they can charge more for it because of supply and demand. Does this sound familiar? When your electric bill goes up next year remember I told you so. But we aren't short on power, or ERCOT would not sign off on this deal. ERCOT has over 77,000 MW's of capacity for summer peak demands. Record peak demand was 69,877 MW's in 2015. With cheaper natural gas and more wind power being installed yearly, it kind of makes sense that some of the coal plants become too expensive to keep up and running. I mean it sucks for the lake and fishing, but back to what you said 'its all about money'.
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: Cypress Springs Guy]
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10/15/17 10:01 PM
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mwbmod74
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There was some talk of part of Monticello being closed for some sort of construction a few weeks ago Any truth to that. Last Friday 10/6 eve they still had signs NOT TO GO NORTH OF 127 bridge. Not sure as of now...
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Re: Monticello plant going Completely offline
[Re: C.Seymour]
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10/15/17 11:38 PM
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Pintail711
TFF Team Angler
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Its all about money. Remember when Harvey came along and we had the gas panic. Well gas here in Graham went to $2.55. Now its been 2 months and every person in the state knows there wasn't a gasoline shortage, gas is still $2.50 here. Supply and demand they say. BS But back to the plants being shut down. They will take over 4,000 MWs of electricity off the market. H'mmm now we are short on power so they can charge more for it because of supply and demand. Does this sound familiar? When your electric bill goes up next year remember I told you so. But we aren't short on power, or ERCOT would not sign off on this deal. ERCOT has over 77,000 MW's of capacity for summer peak demands. Record peak demand was 69,877 MW's in 2015. With cheaper natural gas and more wind power being installed yearly, it kind of makes sense that some of the coal plants become too expensive to keep up and running. I mean it sucks for the lake and fishing, but back to what you said 'its all about money'. Im in SPP. They run us up and down, up and down constantly.. you can look up demands on their website
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