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#12431542 - 09/18/17 01:16 PM Motor Surging
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 315
Loc: Arlington
My engine in surging whenever I get around 1800-3000 RPM. Once it's up on plane past 4000 RPM it runs great for the most part. It is a '98 200HP Merc EFI. Originally I thought it was fuel related and I checked the fuel-water separator filter and the in-line fuel filter (both were replaced back in April 2017 and still look perfect). I checked the fuel to see if there was any water that got in, and it looks good (I use Quickleen and Quickare every tank). I checked the thermostats to see if maybe they were clogged or not working right and they look fine.

Once I accepted defeat I took it to a mechanic and had him go through the fuel system and replace the lower unit seals (needed to be done anyway). He found that there is an elbow fitting just below the fuel pump housing that went bad (common problem for these motors) and was allowing gas to siphon back up into the oil reservoir on top of the engine. He fixed that and we were hoping that would fix it... when I took it out to the lake it got up on plane with no issues, but the problem came back after I tried recreating the issue again.

My mechanic met me at the lake so he could see first-hand what the issue was and he also brought an ECU he had in the shop that he knows works so we could test to see if that was the problem... it wasn't and didn't change the performance. He thinks it is a couple of cylinders cutting in and out instead of fuel. However, it doesn't happen every time (maybe 3 out of 5 times getting up on plane). He mentioned that it is difficult to diagnose these type of issues and the first recommendation was to change the switch boxes. I replaced both switch boxes and made sure all electrical connections were sound. It seemed to help slightly, but it is still surging.

His next recommendation is to have the fuel injectors cleaned, but I don't want to just keep paying to replace/clean things if that isn't the issue. So before doing that, I wanted to turn to you guys first to see if you have ran into this issue before and have any suggestions.

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#12431931 - 09/18/17 05:59 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
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Registered: 03/11/03
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Loc: Cisco,tx
Have you changed the plugs on this motor lately?

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#12432115 - 09/18/17 08:50 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
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Loc: Arlington
In March or April this year

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#12432129 - 09/18/17 09:02 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Cat finder Offline
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Registered: 03/14/15
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Did you gap them accordingly?
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#12432183 - 09/18/17 09:43 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 315
Loc: Arlington
They are the kind that don't have gaps. BUH8 is the part number on them

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#12432191 - 09/18/17 09:49 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Cat finder Offline
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Loc: Dallas, Texas
Ah cool deal. Well I tried.you could try a spark tester to see if you have strong spark.
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#12432284 - 09/18/17 11:48 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
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Registered: 03/11/03
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Loc: Cisco,tx
only thing left that my limited know how would be check fuel pressure running and if thats good go get injectors cleaned. To me hoses in fuel system breaking down is going to put trash at last place going out.

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#12432348 - 09/19/17 06:20 AM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
gary purdy Offline
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Loc: Littlefield Tx & Lake A. H. US...
Sounds like the TPS needs to be adjusted.
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#12432529 - 09/19/17 08:29 AM Re: Motor Surging [Re: gary purdy]
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 315
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: gary purdy
Sounds like the TPS needs to be adjusted.


I'll look into this... thanks. Is there an easy way to test and see if it is out of spec?

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#12433195 - 09/19/17 04:20 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: gary purdy]
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 315
Loc: Arlington
Originally Posted By: gary purdy
Sounds like the TPS needs to be adjusted.


I spoke to my mechanic and when he did a tune up on the motor a couple of months ago, he checked the TPS and it worked fine. But he is going to double check before we pull out the fuel injectors.

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#12443561 - 09/26/17 10:40 PM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Farrside Offline
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Registered: 08/27/15
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I had almost the problem you described on a 94 merc. Accept mine would surge on plane. After replacing everything plugs and fuel related over two months I found it by accident at night one of my coils packs had a hair line crack where the wire comes out going to the plug. I could see the blue spark jumping to the bolt that secured itto the motor it wasn't constant but it did cause the cylinder to miss. I covered the crack with form a gasket and it fixed the problem. It's worth checking

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#12443598 - 09/27/17 12:15 AM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
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Registered: 02/05/06
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Loc: Farmers Branch/Sulphur Bluff
blow air back through the fuel tank vent to be sure it is clear...

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#12464178 - 10/13/17 10:03 AM Re: Motor Surging [Re: Hittmanfish]
Hittmanfish Offline
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Registered: 05/28/14
Posts: 315
Loc: Arlington
Update.... I went ahead and had the injectors cleaned and that didn't fix the issue... My mechanic checked the TPS sensor, ruled out the fuel system and coils. Now he's going to test the stator/trigger/fly wheel to see if they are causing the problem... but it is difficult because it only happens when under load, so the miss doesn't happen on the dyno at his shop.

I'll mention that to him Farrside, thanks for the input!

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