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#12282271 - 06/06/17 10:33 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
Jerod Pontello Offline
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Registered: 03/14/16
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Got to b some type of population control, not very many people keep carp to eat

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#12383457 - 08/12/17 02:27 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: dmunsie]
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Posts: 1271
Loc: Alvarado, Tx, Johnson
Originally Posted By: dmunsie
yah...I get it... but wow.. it just sounds crazy in a sport I enjoy, where people use fish that could do alot more good for the sport than become fertilizer. I love catching those Joe Pool 8-12lb Carp on ultrlight gear, some of my best angling memories for sure. But with that said.... if there ever was a place in the DFW area that could use a little Carp thinning out, it would be Joe Pool Lake. To answer your question, yes you can take all the carp you want, using your dip net. No bag or size limit. But if you do net one that is substantially larger than the others, would be great if you could let that one go. Thx.


Actually harvesting any Carp seems to get the Carpers panties in a wad! They want no control over Carp for virtually any reason. Whitney is another lake that needs at least some harvest of Carp but everyone says throw them back! Throw the big ones back but keep the smaller ones, stop contributing to the mess overpopulation of Carp causes (or any fish for that matter). There really does need to be some management of Carp, the bowfishers can't do it all. If you think Carp are such a wonderful fish make some effort to manage them before it has to be done on a massive level. Joe Pool could use some commercial netting of it's Carp population for sure and it wouldn't hurt Whitney either.

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#12383887 - 08/12/17 09:14 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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Legal to take home as many as you want but I doubt the GW is gonna dig your garden up to see what kind of fertilizer you use.

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#12384219 - 08/13/17 09:17 AM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: Tommar]
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Registered: 03/26/15
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Originally Posted By: Tommar
Legal to take home as many as you want but I doubt the GW is gonna dig your garden up to see what kind of fertilizer you use.

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#12409961 - 09/01/17 11:20 AM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
DCmac Offline
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Loc: SW Okla
Ahhh nostalgia!
When I was a kid an older gentleman up the street had one hail of a garden every year. Every spring planting time he'd pay us kids for all the fish we could supply. Back in the early 50s it was a pretty good deal for an 8yo to get a quarter for a Radio Flyer full of suckers, shiners, minnows & kibbies.

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#12410947 - 09/01/17 11:47 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: DCmac]
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Originally Posted By: DCmac
Ahhh nostalgia!
When I was a kid an older gentleman up the street had one hail of a garden every year. Every spring planting time he'd pay us kids for all the fish we could supply. Back in the early 50s it was a pretty good deal for an 8yo to get a quarter for a Radio Flyer full of suckers, shiners, minnows & kibbies.


What's a Radio Flyer?
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#12410952 - 09/02/17 12:32 AM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: Uncle Zeek]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Zeek
Originally Posted By: DCmac
Ahhh nostalgia!
When I was a kid an older gentleman up the street had one hail of a garden every year. Every spring planting time he'd pay us kids for all the fish we could supply. Back in the early 50s it was a pretty good deal for an 8yo to get a quarter for a Radio Flyer full of suckers, shiners, minnows & kibbies.


What's a Radio Flyer?

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#12414986 - 09/05/17 12:30 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: Uncle Zeek]
DCmac Offline
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#12415363 - 09/05/17 04:47 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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I tried the carp/fertilize thing about 5 years ago, and the skunks kept digging them up. I laid down chicken wire, but that didn't stop them.

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#12425149 - 09/13/17 12:03 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
ZzzKing Offline
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Registered: 01/03/15
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Loc: Dallas
If your goal is accurate historical gardening like the original natives did it, then carp should not be used as they weren't in Texas waters at the time. They were introduced from Asia by later settlers. If you are just interested in an organic approach, I think the suggestion to use fish emulsion is a good one and doesn't needlessly waste a resource.

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#12428356 - 09/15/17 10:49 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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Registered: 11/20/08
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Loc: east TX
Originally Posted By: dmunsie
When it comes to the law, SharkBaitTV is without a doubt 100% right.


Oh, I wouldn't quite go that far...


Originally Posted By: dmunsie
"Waste of fish - It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption of bait."



Some of y'all probably ought to go look up the definition of "consumption" in the dictionary before explaining the law to everyone!


According to Merriam-Webster, the definition of consumption is:

1 a :a progressive wasting away of the body especially from pulmonary tuberculosis.

b :tuberculosis

2 a :the act or process of consuming
(e.g. consumption of food, consumption of resources)

b :use by or exposure to a particular group or audience
(e.g. the document was not intended for public consumption)

3 :use of something
(e.g. the jet's high consumption of fuel, the consumption of electricity)


There appears to be several meanings for "consumption", not just the one that y'all tend to use when getting up on your soapbox. The way I read it, I can use fish for whatever purpose I see fit. The key is that they be utilized and not just discarded.

Also, where do y'all think FISH emulsion comes from??

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#12430183 - 09/17/17 02:54 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: duckkillah]
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Originally Posted By: duckkillah

Originally Posted By: dmunsie
"Waste of fish - It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption of bait."


There appears to be several meanings for "consumption", not just the one that y'all tend to use when getting up on your soapbox.


I left out part of your post just to keep this post from being too big.

In the context of a law or regulation prohibiting the waste of 'edible' fish, which definition of 'consumption' is the one that TPWD and courts would use?
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#12430199 - 09/17/17 03:13 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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Originally Posted By: SharkBaitTV
state the law that says that please.


Actually if you get a definition of consumption instead of riding your usual high horse about killing fish. You will find that using fish remains, which is any and all parts of a dead fish for fertilizer is legal consumption.
Nowhere does the law say human consumption only.
If what you claim was true no rough fish could be made into feralizer, dog food, emulsion or anything else.
Consumption does not exclusively mean being eaten. It means use of.
Call TPWD and ask them if it is ok to use rough fish as fertilizer. It is.
Throwing a truck load of arrived fish in a remote field is not consumption it is waste. Purposely burying or
grinding up and putting in soil for agriculture purposes is not waste.

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#12430202 - 09/17/17 03:17 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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#12430690 - 09/17/17 08:10 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: 9094]
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Originally Posted By: 9094
Originally Posted By: SharkBaitTV
state the law that says that please.


You will find that using fish remains, which is any and all parts of a dead fish for fertilizer is legal consumption.
Nowhere does the law say human consumption only.


First, I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with using a few rough fish as fertilizer, pet food, etc.

Having said that, every use of "consumption" that I can find in fish & game law refers to "fit for human consumption". For example (note that the statute does not say 'game' fish. Just 'fish'):

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), it is an offense if a person intentionally takes or possesses a game bird, game animal, or fish and intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence fails to keep the edible portions of the bird, animal, or fish in an edible condition.
(c) It is an offense if a person while hunting kills or wounds a desert bighorn sheep, pronghorn antelope, mule deer, or white-tailed deer in violation of Section 61.022, 62.003, 62.0031, 62.004, or 62.005 and intentionally or knowingly fails to make a reasonable effort to retrieve the animal or intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence fails to keep the edible parts of the animal in an edible condition.
(d) In this section:
(1) “Edible condition” means fit for human consumption.


Tex. Parks & Wild. Code Ann. § 62.011 (Vernon)


For as much as I post about this subject, it's honestly no skin off my nose. I'm not the one risking the citation.
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