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#12281201 - 06/06/17 12:27 PM Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening
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I'm wondering if anyone has ever harvested carp for historic/organic gardening? Native Americans would put a fish in each mound when they planted corn to provide nutrients for the plants as they grew. The methods for use are a bit more sophisticated these days, but they do make good organic fertilizer.

I've seen hordes of carp along the shore at Joe Pool Lake so thick you could almost walk across them. As these are non-game fish, could they just be dip-netted out of the water? I'm assuming there is no bag or size limit, either?

Is there any issue with transporting them to the farm while still alive (in a barrel) so they don't start to stink on the trip?

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#12281310 - 06/06/17 01:26 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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It's sorta illegal.
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#12281314 - 06/06/17 01:27 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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Are there other lakes in the DFW area with high carp populations? I live NW of Fort Worth, so closer would be better.

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#12281315 - 06/06/17 01:27 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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yah...I get it... but wow.. it just sounds crazy in a sport I enjoy, where people use fish that could do alot more good for the sport than become fertilizer. I love catching those Joe Pool 8-12lb Carp on ultrlight gear, some of my best angling memories for sure. But with that said.... if there ever was a place in the DFW area that could use a little Carp thinning out, it would be Joe Pool Lake. To answer your question, yes you can take all the carp you want, using your dip net. No bag or size limit. But if you do net one that is substantially larger than the others, would be great if you could let that one go. Thx.
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#12281318 - 06/06/17 01:29 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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#12281325 - 06/06/17 01:32 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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Originally Posted By: FishGardener
Are there other lakes in the DFW area with high carp populations? I live NW of Fort Worth, so closer would be better.


Every lake, river, creek, etc has Common Carp in them. But nothing comes close to the over populated population of Carp in Joe Pool Lake in my opinion. Once you see them spawn in the shallows at Joe Pool, well..it's really one of the most amazing sites I've ever witnessed.
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#12281338 - 06/06/17 01:36 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: Cast]
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What part of it is illegal? Carp are classified as NONGAME fish.

According to:

http://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoo...evices-for-fish

Cast Net

A cast net is a net that can be hand-thrown over an area.

Legal only for taking NONGAME fish and other aquatic animal life including crabs, crayfish, and shrimp. (See shrimp regulations)
May not be greater than 14 feet in diameter.
In SALT WATER, nongame fish may be taken for bait purposes only.

Dip Net

A dip net is a mesh bag suspended from a frame attached to a handle.

Legal only for taking NONGAME fish and other aquatic animal life including crabs, crayfish, and shrimp.
May be used to aid in the landing of fish caught by other legal devices.
In SALT WATER, nongame fish may be taken for bait purposes only.

So please tell me what part of catching carp with a net is illegal?

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#12281358 - 06/06/17 01:45 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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"Lawful Archery Equipment
Lawful archery equipment includes longbow, recurved bow, compound bow and crossbow
May be used to take NONGAME fish only.
Any fish that is edible or can be used for bait (includes all gar species, common carp and buffalo) may not be released back into the water after being taken with lawful archery equipment. See Waste of Fish."

"Waste of fish
It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait."

"Sec. 66.011. LEAVING FISH TO DIE. A person commits an offense if the person leaves edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of this state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait."
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its not legal not even close.


Edited by SharkBaitTV (06/06/17 01:45 PM)
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#12281384 - 06/06/17 01:54 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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I said sorta because I think it's a good use for the remains. But keep and eat the fish. Or not. Your call. Fish emulsion is way easier.


Edited by Cast (06/06/17 01:55 PM)
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#12281400 - 06/06/17 02:01 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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SharkBaitTV - I believe the intent is that you don't just spear or shoot a bunch of fish with arrows and leave them to die in the water or on the shore. Using the fish as fertilizer is not wasting the fish. It would be converted into food.


Edited by FishGardener (06/06/17 02:33 PM)

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#12281408 - 06/06/17 02:03 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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state the law that says that please.
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#12281446 - 06/06/17 02:21 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
dmunsie Offline
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When it comes to the law, SharkBaitTV is without a doubt 100% right.

"Waste of fish - It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait."

But if we're talking Joe Pool Lake, I don't think any game warden would have a problem taking a bunch of those fish out. But when in doubt, give the local GW a call, tell them what you want to do. They may issue you a temp license or permit to take a bunch of fish out of Joe Pool.
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#12281503 - 06/06/17 02:54 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
JJ4MEL Offline
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Use corn, catch carp, use carp to grow corn then use corn to catch carp again. Wow, what a vicious cycle.

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#12281603 - 06/06/17 03:49 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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#12281842 - 06/06/17 06:23 PM Re: Harvesting Carp for Historic/Organic Gardening [Re: FishGardener]
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Yup, illegal to use for anything but bait or consumption.
I hear Home Depot has plenty of fertilizer for sale.....
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