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#12265400 - 05/27/17 08:06 AM Elite format at Sam Rayburn
RKT Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 478
I read a dock talk article on Bassfan about the positives and negatives of the way they weighed the fish in the boat on Sam Rayburn. While watching some of the live footage during the tournament they acted like this is likely the way of the future. I saw one major problem with it. They try their best to get these tournaments to follow the spawn from the south to the north. If an angler found a big bass on a bed he could possibly catch it 5 times in one day and then maybe even come back the next day and weight it again. I know its not likely to get a big one to bite that many times, but it can be done. I have caught the same female off of a bed three times in one day. So my question is, do ya'll think that this format is a good format for the future?

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#12265420 - 05/27/17 08:33 AM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
Mark Perry Online   content


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It is not gonna take the place of conventional tournaments. They will continue to tweak the format for that event but it's not gonna take over.


I have read for 4-5 years the MLF format was gonna take over. It still has not made a dent in local/regional tournaments at all. Very little presence at all.

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#12266068 - 05/27/17 07:59 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
WAWI Offline
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Originally Posted By: RKT
I read a dock talk article on Bassfan about the positives and negatives of the way they weighed the fish in the boat on Sam Rayburn. While watching some of the live footage during the tournament they acted like this is likely the way of the future. I saw one major problem with it. They try their best to get these tournaments to follow the spawn from the south to the north. If an angler found a big bass on a bed he could possibly catch it 5 times in one day and then maybe even come back the next day and weight it again. I know its not likely to get a big one to bite that many times, but it can be done. I have caught the same female off of a bed three times in one day. So my question is, do ya'll think that this format is a good format for the future?


Who would ever think about catching the same bass over and over day after day? Bahahahahahaha

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#12266091 - 05/27/17 08:24 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
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They can't sight fish for the same fish twice in a day. Judges are told that. It's catch it and move on. They can catch it the next day.
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#12266746 - 05/28/17 01:35 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
pagemaster Offline
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Registered: 09/29/12
Posts: 74
Loc: Amarillo,TX
You would think that after the turnout they had at the last tournament they would scrap that idea. If it's such a great format then lets do it at the classic and see what happens the next classic. Probably zero turnout.Unless they are having huge fish kills that are not mentioned, then stick with what works.

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#12266754 - 05/28/17 01:42 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
criglizard Offline
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Registered: 05/22/08
Posts: 321
They will worry less and less about the physical turnout and more and more about the online turnout.

The weigh and release format will eventually replace the traditional format. This will happen at the highest level of bass fishing first and gradually trickle down as technology allows. Bet your [censored] on it.

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#12266765 - 05/28/17 01:45 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
criglizard Offline
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Also, it's unlikely we will ever see the traditional format completely go away. Smaller tournaments and even trails like basschamps will likely not change. But the "pro" stuff will change. The future is online viewing, period.

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#12266773 - 05/28/17 01:47 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
criglizard Offline
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Posts: 321
Last thing, can someone explain how 100-200 people showing up to watch a live weigh in creates any significant amount of revenue? BASS is not a non profit.

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#12266780 - 05/28/17 01:54 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
pagemaster Offline
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FLW might have to be the venue to go to unless they follow suit. Whole lot more fun in person than sitting on the computer. Wonder how the sponsors will react. Do they bail or will more get onboard.

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#12266786 - 05/28/17 01:59 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
pagemaster Offline
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Registered: 09/29/12
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Loc: Amarillo,TX
They won't create any revenue if the don't charge. Have you paid to go to a BASS weigh in.

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#12266809 - 05/28/17 02:26 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
criglizard Offline
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Registered: 05/22/08
Posts: 321
During the Classic, the broadcasters said that they had tens of thousands of live viewers during the event. Also, much of the content has now been shared and viewed thousands more times and will exist forever online. To a sponsor, this relevancy and viewership is much more valuable than a few hundred people showing up to watch a weigh in. Watching a live weigh in does not interest me at all, watching them fish (live or replay) is very interesting.

A perfect measurement is the buzz on this forum since live broadcasting started getting more common. Prior to that, entire BASS Elite tournaments went undiscussed on here.

Also, on this forum, we are sharing content (someone posted Crochet frog fishing the other day) more than ever. I certainly noticed the sponsors on his boat and jersey and did not see that content anywhere else. I would have never watched him weigh in his fish and if I had, his jersey would've been seen for about 2 minutes and his boat (and gear) would not have been shown.

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#12266810 - 05/28/17 02:27 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
criglizard Offline
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Registered: 05/22/08
Posts: 321
And if I did pay to go to a weigh in...what would it cost, $20? So 500 people would make $10,000 in revenue? That pays one top 50 finisher and covers no other expenses. No profit.

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#12266811 - 05/28/17 02:28 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
beartrap Offline
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Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 668
Loc: south georgia
something that would appeal to me would be the ability to split my screen and watch 4-6 different pros of my choice fish at same time along with a map showing where each is located on the lake....also like to keep the basstrakk estimates of each catch so that there is some suspense to the weigh-in....

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#12266865 - 05/28/17 03:24 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
RKT Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 478
I believe this format likely is the way of the future for the elites and possibly the FLW tour. It's not a viable format for any other level. It also would not work for circuits with a co-angler. However, I think there are quite a few problems that could incur with it like the one I stated originally even if someone else thinks I am crazy that an angler could catch the same bed fish multiple times. Another problem is that rough water will make it hard to get accurate weights if the boat is bouncing up and down.

I do believe that by allowing much more video coverage to be aired and shared, this new format allows for greater publicity for the anglers and the sponsors. The greater the exposure the more revenue it creates.

What other problems do could they run into with this new format?


Edited by RKT (05/28/17 03:25 PM)

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#12266962 - 05/28/17 05:16 PM Re: Elite format at Sam Rayburn [Re: RKT]
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Mr. Lizard presents some valid, logical arguments.... Well done....be great day for bass fishing when it's universal
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