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#12242402 - 05/12/17 04:53 AM LED bow nav lighting
Lee in Texas Offline
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This may seem a dumb question but I have to bring it up yet again. (I'm hoping this is not a banned discussion....?? not sure)
I'm sure it's been debated but, why in God's name are LED lighting strips (red / green) considered illegal and not in compliance with US Coast Guard requirements ?
They are so much brighter that the old and much out dated light pole that plugs in a hole on the bow

I know this is a very controversial subject but, mine have now ( I just discovered ) gone out and I wanted to replace them with a better quality LED strip set but I was advised to go back to the little plug in pole with the old red/green standard lights. ?????

JMO, but this seems insane after having seen my rig and MANY others with the new and brighter strip lights....???? hammer
Is this just me ??? If so, what about all the others I have seen with them installed...?????
Now we are supposed to rip them off the boat..... realmad

How are ya'll dealing with this....
God Bless
Lee


Edited by Lee in Texas (05/12/17 05:29 AM)
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#12242437 - 05/12/17 06:24 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Well ya'll have a great day. Guess no one else is having this dilemma .......... just hate not using something that makes total sense IMO
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#12242477 - 05/12/17 07:02 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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if strip lighting for bow lights something is not in compliance with coast guard rules it is illegal.

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#12242490 - 05/12/17 07:11 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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I wonder because I looked at a new Ranger bass boat that had the red and green bow lights on the sides back 4 feet from the bow.
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#12242493 - 05/12/17 07:13 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: gary purdy]
Lee in Texas Offline
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Exactly, good point !! If this is 'illegal' it does not make any sense ???? Well, IMO
thanks for your reply
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Lee

Originally Posted By: gary purdy
I wonder because I looked at a new Ranger bass boat that had the red and green bow lights on the sides back 4 feet from the bow.
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#12242578 - 05/12/17 08:20 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
ssmith Offline
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if it is on a new ranger installed from the factory you can bet that it is coast guard approved it take money to get something approved to be uniform an match their code most folks wont do that.

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#12242654 - 05/12/17 09:09 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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The " legality" issue comes into play because of the angles that the lights have to be visible from front to rearward.This is what a GW told me. I asked him "What about running them WITH my bow light ALSO in? He said the "legality" of that THEN becomes an issue because of the "distraction".
He also stated " With that being said, I personally AGREE with you guys! I CAN see them better! I personally am NOT going to issue citations for them unless there ARE more violations & the attitude of said offender is uncooperative, or I am instructed by higher ups to do so. "
So there ya go, Take it for what its worth & be safe out there. You most likely WON'T have an issue over them, but if you do, you WON'T have a "legal" rebuttal to contest it. UNLESS you install CG approved lights that comply with the "visibilty angles" required.


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#12242688 - 05/12/17 09:29 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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I installed a set of the new USCG approved Ranger lights on my older boat. You have to position them on the front curve of your boat so that straight on you see red and green but moving off center to one side or the other you can only see red or only see green. They are not there to tell someone where the front of the boat is. They are an indication of what direction the boat is going and a requirement of the US Coast Guard regulations which the State of Texas follows for their laws. LED lights are not legal but it is unlikely you will be ticketed for them. Get in an accident with another boat at night and a lawyer...well not so certain he would ignore them. I hate seeing people tear up an otherwise good boat to put on a product that is not legal.

https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg545/alerts/1015.pdf

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#12242843 - 05/12/17 11:28 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
Lee in Texas Offline
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Ok, question: Is Ranger the only manufacturer to have and sell LED bow lights ?
I was really speaking of LED strip lighting ........not just a single LED red/green light.
anyone ?

thanks ( I'm really tired of putting in and taking out that short pole lamp in the front that IMO does not offer as much visibility - not to mention have to find the dang thing each time and then stow it again )

God Bless
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#12242887 - 05/12/17 12:01 PM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Ok, question: Is Ranger the only manufacturer to have and sell LED bow lights ?
I was really speaking of LED strip lighting ........not just a single LED red/green light.
anyone ?

thanks ( I'm really tired of putting in and taking out that short pole lamp in the front that IMO does not offer as much visibility - not to mention have to find the dang thing each time and then stow it again )

God Bless
Lee


I do not know of any led strip lights anywhere, sold by anyone that are USCG certified including the ones sold to wrap around or stick on top the Talon.

These are the green/red nav lights I bought for my boat.

http://www.firstchoicemarine.com/p-14201...-pr-3572-1.aspx

The USCG certified lights are not cheap. It costs good profit to get them certified.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5214/eqpt_approval.asp



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#12242970 - 05/12/17 01:01 PM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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LED light comes off those strips at with a 120 degree beam angle. So most of the strip lights mounted on the bow of the boat are not providing the required 112 degrees of coverage due to the curve of the hull.

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#12243119 - 05/12/17 02:35 PM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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There are LED navs that are legal and there are ones that aren't legal. As mentioned the angles listed by the USCG rules must be followed. You can find a USCG approved LED strip, but the location required to be in accordance with the compass degrees, may require to put holes in areas of your boat that are not the same location as where you pulled the standard navs off.

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--bi-color-bow-lights--15761570?recordNum=2

http://store.marinebeam.com/uscg-certified-led-nav-lights/
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#12243211 - 05/12/17 03:59 PM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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It seems a little childish to me to want to go down the lake looking like a Christmas tree, but to each his on.
The other side is that if a GW writes you a ticket for non-compliant lights, and they are unaltered factory lights, at least you have a defense.
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#12243757 - 05/13/17 05:06 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Bob Landry]
Lee in Texas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bob Landry
It seems a little childish to me to want to go down the lake looking like a Christmas tree, but to each his on.
The other side is that if a GW writes you a ticket for non-compliant lights, and they are unaltered factory lights, at least you have a defense.


"Christmas Tree ???" well, guess you have not been on the lakes much, early or late that is. Seems there are more than a few who chose to be seen
as for me, yeah...I want other boaters to see me.
So be it
God Bless
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#12244808 - 05/14/17 08:09 AM Re: LED bow nav lighting [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Bass Pro has a legal LED stern light now. It is mounted to a pole, like the original. It is brighter and has the advantages of led lighting. The housing the lights are in is traditional and removable. Best of both. IMO.
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