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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/08/17 07:26 PM
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Ted Martin
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are the captains allowed to fish during the T? that seems crazy to me, and would certainly invite temptation to share a fish.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Ted Martin]
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05/08/17 07:46 PM
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lodell23
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are the captains allowed to fish during the T? that seems crazy to me, and would certainly invite temptation to share a fish. Not during regionals and state
Texas A&M '22
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/12/17 06:27 PM
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redskeeter190
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In the tournaments my guys fish.....there was a report of cheating.....they confessed....and weren't allowed to fish the tournaments the remainder of the year....then the report got to BASS.....it's possible, these kids may NEVER fish a BASS sanctioned event again.....
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: redskeeter190]
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05/12/17 06:34 PM
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Mark Perry
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In the tournaments my guys fish.....there was a report of cheating.....they confessed....and weren't allowed to fish the tournaments the remainder of the year....then the report got to BASS.....it's possible, these kids may NEVER fish a BASS sanctioned event again..... Always consequences to actions.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/12/17 11:16 PM
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Ken Starling
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we will be placing the punishments in the rules for 2017/2018 real soon. Until they are finalized I will not post or comment but it will be more than a slap on the wrist, I promise.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/13/17 02:50 AM
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RedBarn
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....as it should be. The captain should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!!
Ephesians 1:7
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: RedBarn]
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05/13/17 05:13 PM
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txsuperman
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....as it should be. The captain should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!! ^^^^^THIS
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/13/17 08:22 PM
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C130
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There were two kids on a different team that fished with a guide 6 days prior to one of the tournaments. They were asked at weigh in but lied and said they had not fished with the guide. I talked to the boat captain that witnessed it and was neighbors with the guide and has known him for a very long time. The kids finished around 3rd I think. I didn't witness it myself but two kids in our club know them and saw them plus their boat captain informed me about it. I stayed out of it but it's a shane some people refuse to follow the rules. If I catch any of our members cheating they won't be in the club any more. The adults definitely know better and should show leadership to our youth.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: C130]
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05/13/17 09:40 PM
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Ken Starling
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In a instance like this please report to the Tournament director and we will investigate to find the truth. It might not be resolved right then but it would be resolved. There were two kids on a different team that fished with a guide 6 days prior to one of the tournaments. They were asked at weigh in but lied and said they had not fished with the guide. I talked to the boat captain that witnessed it and was neighbors with the guide and has known him for a very long time. The kids finished around 3rd I think. I didn't witness it myself but two kids in our club know them and saw them plus their boat captain informed me about it. I stayed out of it but it's a shane some people refuse to follow the rules. If I catch any of our members cheating they won't be in the club any more. The adults definitely know better and should show leadership to our youth.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/14/17 05:25 PM
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Dswindall
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In support of Ken and what the TXHSBA is trying to promote please report this type of "violations" to them hopefully on the day so the tournament but at least soon after. I volunteer my time to captain two boys in the LISD (yes one is my son) and try to invest the time to show them the right way to fish tournaments including courtesy which is another issue with many boaters in today's world. If we allow this type of behavior to continue we are ruining the sport and our children's lives from promoting bad behavior.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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05/14/17 05:28 PM
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Dswindall
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For clarification of my post "promoting bad behavior" it is the behavior of the captains who are doing it that are promoting it not you guys
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Ken Starling]
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06/01/17 10:30 PM
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stringwise
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we will be placing the punishments in the rules for 2017/2018 real soon. Until they are finalized I will not post or comment but it will be more than a slap on the wrist, I promise. I would love to know who's idea it was to let captains fish during the regular season tournaments? I captained one tournament for my son and his co-angler and saw so many cheating dads I said this is the last one of these I will fish unless things change. WOW!!! The temptation is too strong I suppose when old pops sticks a 5 pounder to toss it back in the lake where it belongs with that livewell sitting right there and his kid's reputation on the line. Really left me with a feeling of not wanting to be a part of this again. I feel like you all need to decide if you want to make tournaments a competition or a way to get kids involved in fishing. They are very different paths and it appears that the solution for now is to try to do both at the same time. I think I would rather see kids not fish than learn how to cheat from their boat captain. I've heard the argument about the challenge in finding captains if they can't fish all day. Maybe there will be fewer entries but at the end of the day the winner will be the winner.
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: stringwise]
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06/01/17 11:26 PM
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RedBarn
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we will be placing the punishments in the rules for 2017/2018 real soon. Until they are finalized I will not post or comment but it will be more than a slap on the wrist, I promise. I would love to know who's idea it was to let captains fish during the regular season tournaments? I captained one tournament for my son and his co-angler and saw so many cheating dads I said this is the last one of these I will fish unless things change. WOW!!! The temptation is too strong I suppose when old pops sticks a 5 pounder to toss it back in the lake where it belongs with that livewell sitting right there and his kid's reputation on the line. Really left me with a feeling of not wanting to be a part of this again. I feel like you all need to decide if you want to make tournaments a competition or a way to get kids involved in fishing. They are very different paths and it appears that the solution for now is to try to do both at the same time. I think I would rather see kids not fish than learn how to cheat from their boat captain. I've heard the argument about the challenge in finding captains if they can't fish all day. Maybe there will be fewer entries but at the end of the day the winner will be the winner. First off.......not all captains that fish in the THSBA regular season tournaments are cheats...........and second, did you report all the "Cheating Dads" that you saw to the tournament directors???
Ephesians 1:7
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: RedBarn]
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06/02/17 04:41 PM
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ClintYeager
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we will be placing the punishments in the rules for 2017/2018 real soon. Until they are finalized I will not post or comment but it will be more than a slap on the wrist, I promise. I would love to know who's idea it was to let captains fish during the regular season tournaments? I captained one tournament for my son and his co-angler and saw so many cheating dads I said this is the last one of these I will fish unless things change. WOW!!! The temptation is too strong I suppose when old pops sticks a 5 pounder to toss it back in the lake where it belongs with that livewell sitting right there and his kid's reputation on the line. Really left me with a feeling of not wanting to be a part of this again. I feel like you all need to decide if you want to make tournaments a competition or a way to get kids involved in fishing. They are very different paths and it appears that the solution for now is to try to do both at the same time. I think I would rather see kids not fish than learn how to cheat from their boat captain. I've heard the argument about the challenge in finding captains if they can't fish all day. Maybe there will be fewer entries but at the end of the day the winner will be the winner. First off.......not all captains that fish in the THSBA regular season tournaments are cheats...........and second, did you report all the "Cheating Dads" that you saw to the tournament directors??? More than likely the captains you saw fishing were entered in the 'Captains side Pot', which would explain him culling a smaller fish in the live well during the regular season tournaments. Aside from a couple of competitors that have been caught out of 600 plus teams, I'd say 99% of the participants are compliant to the rules. I've been captaining my son's team for 3 seasons and we haven't missed a tournament (this includes Regional & State for all 3), other than the occasional 'fishing too close' to each other or arguing over a spot, I haven't witnessed any of what is being mentioned. THSBA has been exemplary in regards to organizing & executing 23 tournaments across the state this Season, and that feat should be what is recognized. Thank you Tim, Ken, Steve, Matt and ALL the Guys & Gals who make this happen. Clint Yeager
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Re: What a shame!!!
[Re: Hoghunter36]
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06/02/17 04:49 PM
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elrod
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I have captained for my kids and others when needed. I will fish but only to show them or help find a pattern. I try not to hook any fish but sometime it happens and they go back in water. I never inter the captains pot because I fill that it takes away a fish they could have caught. Most of my time is showing new ways to work there bait to help them and show them good fish practice when on water.
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