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#12059568 - 01/25/17 02:39 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
mstewart Offline
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82 quarts is only 20.5 gallons.
For fishing, who can (in their automobile) land transport "Shad" in a livewell that is only 20.5 gallons small??
Most Shad capable bait tanks are 25, 30, even 40 gallons.
that would only transport a little more than a couple dozen shad, and that wouldn't make it through the day in a 20.5 gallon tank.

I have a wonderful 20 gallon Sunshine tank that I use for shad. I also have 2 - 30 gallon sunshine bait tanks, a 50,30, 17 gallon Kodiak tanks. More tanks than I need, I just don't want to get rid of them.

Since you can't transport Shad out of Lewisville up to Texoma anymore, I don't try to transport bait by truck (just get their early, or use artificials).

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#12085219 - 02/09/17 07:51 AM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Doesn't this kind of go back to the drain your livewells when you leave the lake and all live bait must be commercially bought with proof of receipt? Or whatever the law really is? Commercial fishing has a license,commercial non game also. Leave the landowners alone. If they bring home something bad into their lake,they will take responsibility for it and handle it,or quit doing it. I never heard of anyone bringing shad home alive from a lake to stock your own. Now I have heard of bringing perch home...

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#12087243 - 02/10/17 10:10 AM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me. Seriously, let's see some hard data on the impacts that TPWD wishes to mitigate with this new tax on fishermen.
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#12094289 - 02/14/17 05:27 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Anytime any government entity opens a subject up for "Town Hall" discussion, they have already decided what's going to happen and it's just a feel good dog & pony show for those who believe their opinions matter to the rule makers.
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#12126113 - 03/06/17 06:32 AM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
jp24 Offline
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Hate over-regulation but this makes sense.
Cormorant issue needs to be addressed as well. They are like giant wolf packs on CC, and in no way seem part of the natural ecosystem.

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#12126472 - 03/06/17 09:13 AM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: Bob Landry]
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Originally Posted By: Bob Landry
Anytime any government entity opens a subject up for "Town Hall" discussion, they have already decided what's going to happen and it's just a feel good dog & pony show for those who believe their opinions matter to the rule makers.
Not always the case, research grayson county and them trying to open up a rifle deer season there, the bowhunters came out in force at the town hall against it and stopped it.

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#12127156 - 03/06/17 01:43 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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They need to forget this idea...bad Public relations move...all it will really do is give TPW employees more opportunity to harass the average citizen that otherwise is hurting/bothering nobody. If they just realize they are giving themselves the appearance of being the gesthapo...maybe the would forget this bunch of hairbrained ideas...it reminds me that they once wanted to regulate the collection of skunk scent...really? Anyone brave enough should be allowed to do it without being hassled by the TPW. I hope y'all are listening TPW...stop the hairbrained ideas...you look like idiots enough without these senseless regulations.

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#12127159 - 03/06/17 01:46 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: psycho0819]
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Originally Posted By: psycho0819
Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me. Seriously, let's see some hard data on the impacts that TPWD wishes to mitigate with this new tax on fishermen.


I agree wholeheartedly...they believe they can gain fee income with no additional cost burden. But their is a cost to senslesss regulation...public perception...only negative here.

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#12127171 - 03/06/17 01:49 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: Brad R]
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Originally Posted By: Brad R
Originally Posted By: Jimbo
It's about the money, and just another form of (fee) taxation.
If it would go toward stocking the lakes fine, but most likely it's to help pay for all those office workers and bonuses.
They have a hard time enforcing the laws already, and adding another makes no sense unless you look at the reason I stated above.


Jimbo, no, I don't think this one has to do with revenue collection. If they are correct and it only affects 10 or so small operations, I believe the fee is about $60, so 10 X 60 = $600.

I think this one has more to do with simple management of our resources, possibly issues related to the spread of disease, and so forth.

Generally, though, with most government agencies, I totally agree with your sentiment . . . that they are just looking for opportunities to regulate and tax.

Brad


No this is just the first step in the process to restricting any/all shad gathering activities.

Furthermore, if it only affects 10 or so small operation, then find another way to deal with them and not affect 100,000 or more after implementation...just saying KISS method is better than this proposal!


Edited by crapicat (03/08/17 09:09 AM)

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#12156972 - 03/24/17 08:25 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: Slefler]
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Originally Posted By: Slefler
Originally Posted By: MBDLAW
how many shad are "collected" by the thousands of cormorants which are protected for no reason whatsoever...


+1 all because they're a "migratory species"


Haha....they migrate up and down the bank.
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#12180990 - 04/03/17 04:39 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Registered: 09/27/15
Posts: 104
Loc: Carrollton, Texas
Don't y'all just love TPWD sometimes????

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#12205172 - 04/18/17 12:51 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Where and when?
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#12232344 - 05/05/17 10:11 AM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: jp24]
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Originally Posted By: jp24
Hate over-regulation but this makes sense.
Cormorant issue needs to be addressed as well. They are like giant wolf packs on CC, and in no way seem part of the natural ecosystem.

Unfortunately, Cormorants have been a federally protected species since 1918 when they were included in the original Migratory Bird Treaty between the United States and Canada. Since then, Mexico, Japan and Russia have become parties to the treaty. So unless the Feds get involved, we're stuck with them mad
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#12264637 - 05/26/17 03:39 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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#12276919 - 06/03/17 02:14 PM Re: TPWD Taking Public Comment on Proposed Shad Collection Rules [Re: albuzek]
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Cormorants only take the old and weak. smirk

As an old fart i remember tpwd telling that many years ago. Bass clubs raised hell so they did a study to prove they only ate trash.

The results were so disturbing bass groups had to file suit to get them to release the results.

When they go through a cove, they clean it out.
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