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Toshiba, House of cards! #12108231 02/23/17 02:18 PM
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Sorry to read that about Toshiba. I have owned two of their TVs and very pleased by both. Sounds like their Westinghouse acquisition was a disaster.

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Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


So... how do they do their 300mm process?


And also what the heck is 300mm?

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Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


So... how do they do their 300mm process?


And also what the heck is 300mm?

It's about 11.8 inches.

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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


So... how do they do their 300mm process?


And also what the heck is 300mm?

It's about 11.8 inches.


Oh I get it now... The Japanese wanted to figure out how to convert the 300mm into inches. Sneaky suckers.

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Originally Posted By: Dan90210
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Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


So... how do they do their 300mm process? nannyboo (That's what I wanted to do to them. Actually something else but I couldn't find the middle finger emojicon.)


And also what the heck is 300mm? It's a 12" wafer with a bunch of little circuits on it. Any more information will require a Signed NDA and a hefty consultant's fee.


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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


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Re: Toshiba, House of cards! [Re: JustWingem] #12109062 02/23/17 10:58 PM
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Large-scale investments in 300mm wafer lines in Japan are primarily made by three companies: Toshiba (NAND Flash), Sony (image sensors) and Micron Memory Japan (DRAM). The logic players investments are largely for upgrading and expanding existing capacity; the companies producing power, surface acoustic wave (SAW), and automotive semiconductor devices are actively adding capacity by constructing new fabs and expanding existing fabs. These activities are planned on 200mm or smaller wafers, so the investments are smaller in terms of dollar values. However, they are important to Japans semiconductor industry in the coming Internet of Things (IoT) age.

Toshiba Plans a New Mega Fab

Toshiba continues to expanding its 300 mm NAND fabs in Yokkaichi in 2015 and 2016 ─ including the second phase construction of Fab 5, new Fab 2 for 3D NAND flash memory production, and plan for a new fab (Fab 6).

The clean room of New Fab2, Yokkaichi Operations

Toshibas new Fab 2 cleanroom (source Toshiba)

The new Fab 6 will be dedicated to 3D NAND flash memory production, and is planned to be built in an adjacent area of the current Yokkaichi factory site. Detailed plans of the construction (such as construction period, production capacity, and investment to manufacturing instrument used) will be decided in FY 2016 based on market trends. Fab 6 is expected to be built in FY 2017. Production capacity of the fab is projected to be more than 200,000 wafers per month (300mm wafers) at full capacity.

Toshiba and Western Digital announced a plan in July 2016 to invest a total of 1.5 trillion JPY for the next three years in Yokkaichi operations. This investment will be for the construction of the new fab as well as for updating equipment for existing fabs such as new Fab 2 and Fab 5.

Sony Expands 300mm Capacity

Sony is also actively expanding its 300mm wafer fabs for increased production of complementary metal-oxide-semiconductor (CMOS) image sensors. Sony plans to expand production capacity not only with its existing lines but also to acquire fabs from other companies. Specifically, Sony acquired Tsuruoka factory in Yamagata prefecture in 2014 from Renesas Electronics Corporation, and it is now operated as Yamagata Technology Center (TEC) of Sony Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation, which is a semiconductor production subsidiary of Sony Corporation. In 2015, Sony acquired the 300mm line of the Toshiba Oita factory, for production of CMOS image sensors.

http://www.sony.co.jp/SonyInfo/News/Press/201502/15-009/img03.jpg

Sony Yamagata TEC (source: Sony)

Sony plans to invest 70 billion JPY in FY 2016, and expand image sensor production capacity ─ now 70,000 wafers per month as of first quarter of 2016. The restoration of Kumamoto TEC damaged by the Kumamoto earthquake would make investment in other TECs decrease.

Micron and TowerJazz

Micron Technology operates a 300mm fab in Hiroshima (Micron Memory Japan Fab 15). The fab manufactures DRAM with 12nm process technology. Micron invested US$750 million in 2015 and $500 million in 2016 for the technology upgrades. The capacity has been flat in these two years.

Panasonic TowerJazz Semiconductor, a Panasonic and TowerJazz joint venture, operates a 300mm foundry fab in Uozu. The company invested $10 million in 2015 and plans to invest the same amount in 2016 to improve the productivity.

Investments in 200mm and Smaller Wafer Lines

Other major semiconductor manufacturers primarily invest in existing fabs and lines for maintenances and productivity improvements. Therefore, investment amount is modest. However, these fabs will be the major source for semiconductor devices of the Internet of Things applications.

Renesas Electronics Corporation plans upkeep of production capacity of Kumamoto fab (200mm wafer fab) and Naka fab (300mm wafer fab).
Fujitsu enhances Fab B2 of Mie Fujitsu Semiconductor Limited, which provides foundry services with 300mm wafer lines. Taiwan's major foundry UMC participated in capital of Mie Fujitsu Semiconductor Limited, and assists with 40nm process technology.
Rohm Co., Ltd. plans to invest more than 10 billion JPY in enhancement of 200mm lines of fab and others in the headquarters.
Fuji Electric Co., Ltd. continues enhancement of its 200mm wafer lines for IGBT of Yamanashi plant in FY 2016. Fuji Electric further expands its SiC power device production capacity by enhancing 200mm wafer lines at Matsumoto fab.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation manufactures power devices at 200mm wafer line of Kumamoto fab. Mitsubishi Electric continues enhancement of power device production capacity.
Shindengen Electric Manufacturing Co., Ltd. is enhancing its power semiconductor module production by adding a new line each for Akita Shindengen Co., Ltd. and Higashine Shindengen Co., Ltd. from FY 2015.
Electronic Parts and Optoelectronic Devices

The electronic parts companies are emerging as new fab owners in Japan. Their recent activities are summarized below:

New Japan Radio Co., Ltd. continues enhancement of production capacity of SAW devices and GaAs ICs at its Kawagoe fab in 2016.
Hamamatsu Photonics K.K. continues enhancement of MEMS fabrication facility (Fab 13) which started operation in March 2014.
Upkeep of new clean room of Toyota Motor Corporation, which started operation in 2014, is now underway. Currently, this line is used for research and development, and trial production of SiC devices.
Murata Manufacturing Company, Ltd. is building a new fab for SAW filter production at its headquarter factory in Toyama. The new fab construction will be completed in September 2016. Total investment to the facility is planned to be 12 billion JPY. Then it will be equipped with 200 mm (mostly secondary) equipment.
Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd. continues its enhancement plan of Oume fab in FY 2016, which was acquired from Hitachi in 2013 for SAW device production.
TDK agreed to acquire 125mm wafer lines in Tsuruoka Factory from Renesas Electronics Corporation in November 2015. TDK plans to enhance its production capacity of super miniature electronic components at this plant. Production will start in FY 2016 after replacement of manufacturing equipment to conform to products to be manufactured. Investment will continue in FY 2016 as well for startup of the mass production and maintenance at this plant.
SEMI World Fab Forecast

To obtain line-by-line investment and capacity trends in Japan and other regions in the world, SEMI Fab Forecast is a powerful and affordable tool. The report is in easy to use, with Excel spreadsheet format that covers six quarters of actual data and six quarters of forecast on over 1,000 fab/lines. For further information, please see www.semi.org/en/MarketInfo/FabDatabase.

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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
Toshiba flew me to Japan for a meeting concerning 300mm processing and the services we could provide. Sent me 1st class, nice hotel, a representative/interpreter met me the night before for an extravagant meal (I still don't know half the carp I ate) and then took me to their corporate headquarters the next morning. Meeting starts and there are ten minions and the head honcho sitting in the meeting when I am asked how a certain US based Semiconductor manufacture does their 300mm process. They specifically ask for tool sets, processes, recipes, etc. and then you could see the President of 300mm (head honcho) almost have his head explode when I tell them that I cannot divulge that information because I had Signed Non-Disclosure Agreements with the company in question. They became very insistent that I tell and was shocked when I said "Oh, Hell No". The President stormed out of the meeting screaming (I had no clue what he was saying but I do not believe it was favorable to me) with his minions scurrying behind him. They basically showed me the front door and wished me good luck getting back to Tokyo on the train system (about 2 hours and three transfers later). I finally made it back to the New Otani Hotel and had a wonderful 3-day vacation on Toshiba (dumba--es forgot to cancel my hotel tab).

Toshiba can Bite Me!!!!!!


Sounds like they were idiots anyway. I've been involved in product transfers from one fab to another within the same company in the semiconductor industry and even having EVERYTHING, the number of changes you have to make is almost as much as starting from scratch. (Well, other than the design data for the mask sets, start material, and knowing what the end product is supposed to be.)

The new fab always had issues the old one didn't. Recipes didn't work. Mask biases and exposure times had to be changed. The list seemed endless.

They would probably have come out better off using the services you could provide rather than trying to cheat.


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Toshiba has been in trouble in the energy sector for quite a while now. Companies like GE, Sulzer, Honeywell and Ingersoll Rand have pretty much dropkicked them out of many of the control, monitoring, and hardware/software annunciation systems in the industry. Poor system design and product support is like getting teeth pulled.


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