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I've been shopping for a newer truck. I have came across a 2014 Ram 1500 with the hemi 5.7L engine paired with an 8 speed transmission (8HP70). Anyone have feedback on this transmission as far as towing. I have a Nitro Z8. There is also a 2014 Chevy Silverado with the 6 speed transmission and 3.42 gears.

Which would be a more solid truck?


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I have both trucks and a 20' skeeter the dodge will pull better and without the boat back there it will get 21 mpg hwy.

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I have the Ram you're looking at.

I hauled a 16 foot pipetop trailer 350 miles from central Texas to the Rio Grande Valley loaded with about 3000 pounds with no problems. Had the cruise set at 70-75. I got 11.5 mpg.

I hauled a UHaul tow dolly with a Kia Rio the same trip down and back with no problems and got about 16 mpg.

Unloaded I get 20-21 as long as I keep it around 75. Above that and it starts dropping. At 80 mph it drops to around 18.

On the pipetop trailer I used the tow/haul mode most of the time. The Kia Rio not so much. Didn't notice any problems shifting or downshifting excessively either way.

Can't help you with the Chevy.


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My wife's truck has the 8 speed tran hemi combo and it does pretty good pulling her grooming trailer.. stays in 6 or 7th gear and gets 12 13 mpg pulling it.. it weighs 3800 loaded and is a dang box with wheels, not very aerodynamic. Probably do a lot better with a boat.. gets really good mpg empty and that thing will flat out fly when you get on it..

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I have the Ram Ecodiesel with 8-speed transmission. The 8-speed is as good of an electronic shift transmission as I've had. Shifts smoothly and correctly and makes the truck a pleasure to drive.

You will get better mpg with the Ram Hemi & 8-speed, no doubt, assuming the Chevy has the 5.3L.


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Do yourself a favor and at least test drive a 5.7 Tundra. Not great gas mileage, 11-1/2 to 13 pulling a 21ft to 17ft respectively. But HUGE brakes and tons of power.

Haven't been beat by any gas truck empty either.

Now.....there is this one guy with an older Cummings Dodge....dam that thing gets going.


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I have the 8-speed in my ram as well. Its been great for me so far and from what research I have done on it is supposed to be a very reliable transmission, far superior to any other one you are going to get in a ram 1500.

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Do yourself a favor and at least test drive a 5.7 Tundra. Not great gas mileage, 11-1/2 to 13 pulling a 21ft to 17ft respectively. But HUGE brakes and tons of power.

Haven't been beat by any gas truck empty either.

Now.....there is this one guy with an older Cummings Dodge....dam that thing gets going.


My fishing partner has one, it's a beast. Tows the boat like nothing is back there. I love it, but don't like the fuel mileage he sees day to day.


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Do yourself a favor and at least test drive a 5.7 Tundra. Not great gas mileage, 11-1/2 to 13 pulling a 21ft to 17ft respectively. But HUGE brakes and tons of power.

Haven't been beat by any gas truck empty either.

Now.....there is this one guy with an older Cummings Dodge....dam that thing gets going.


My fishing partner has one, it's a beast. Tows the boat like nothing is back there. I love it, but don't like the fuel mileage he sees day to day.


Toyota has been using the 5.7 unchanged for how many years now?

When they first came out with it, the 5.7 was easily the biggest and baddest mass produced 1/2 ton on the block. Its not so special anymore, all the others have upped their performance considerably.

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Do yourself a favor and at least test drive a 5.7 Tundra. Not great gas mileage, 11-1/2 to 13 pulling a 21ft to 17ft respectively. But HUGE brakes and tons of power.

Haven't been beat by any gas truck empty either.

Now.....there is this one guy with an older Cummings Dodge....dam that thing gets going.


My fishing partner has one, it's a beast. Tows the boat like nothing is back there. I love it, but don't like the fuel mileage he sees day to day.


Toyota has been using the 5.7 unchanged for how many years now?

When they first came out with it, the 5.7 was easily the biggest and baddest mass produced 1/2 ton on the block. Its not so special anymore, all the others have upped their performance considerably.
Toyota has had the 5.7 since 2007...yes the whole truck is outdated but mine has been very reliable...supposedly an 8 speed is coming in 2017 or 2018 and a total redesign the next year

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You can see towing tests on TFL Truck on Youtube. They do extreme towing up a mountain and also flat land towing. You may also want to consider reviewing Consumer Reports reliability data on the various makes and models. The ones with the highest MPG may not be the least expensive when you consider reliability and depreciation.

A bassboat is not really much of a load for today's half-ton pickups.


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The chevy will get much better mpg. I have a ram with the 6spd...going to trade it in for an 8spd or a chevy next fall. The mileage sucks but has plenty of power.




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The 5.3L with a 6-speed doesn't do very well. Ram with an 8-speed should beat it in gas mileage easily.

Now the chevy 6.2L is another story, but I assume that's not part of the comparison.


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Toyota has had the 5.7 since 2007...yes the whole truck is outdated but mine has been very reliable...supposedly an 8 speed is coming in 2017 or 2018 and a total redesign the next year


Never had too much of a gripe with Toyotas, I'm even ok with how they look. For me though I have never owned an unreliable vehicle from ford dodge or chevy and I feel they all make something that has the capability to do what I need and will get better fuel economy doing so.

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Toyota has had the 5.7 since 2007...yes the whole truck is outdated but mine has been very reliable...supposedly an 8 speed is coming in 2017 or 2018 and a total redesign the next year


Never had too much of a gripe with Toyotas, I'm even ok with how they look. For me though I have never owned an unreliable vehicle from ford dodge or chevy and I feel they all make something that has the capability to do what I need and will get better fuel economy doing so.
I dont have a gripe with any of the makers. I have owned Ford Chevy Dodge and Toyota,I tend to keep them and rack up a lot of miles,my reliability statement really was more in line with what I spend other than maintenance the first 100k that I put on them.They would all be reliable I suppose,but the 3 Toyotas trucks I have owned were the only ones that got me to 100k without expense other than maintenance and wiper blades.Two of the 3 did get front discs before 100k.

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I don't think I have ever spent money on a vehicle under 100k that wasn't regular maintenance or and addition to the vehicle.

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I don't think I have ever spent money on a vehicle under 100k that wasn't regular maintenance or and addition to the vehicle.
Not sure what you are trying to say....Most vehicles I have owned required expense above regular maintenance the first 100k miles

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The 5.3L with a 6-speed doesn't do very well. Ram with an 8-speed should beat it in gas mileage easily.

Now the chevy 6.2L is another story, but I assume that's not part of the comparison.


Every Chevy my fathers owned has beaten my ram for mpg's. The 8 speed might make the hemi get better that the '13 and older ones with the 6 and 5 speeds, but it's still not going to beat a late model silverado for mpgs all things being equal.




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I don't think I have ever spent money on a vehicle under 100k that wasn't regular maintenance or and addition to the vehicle.
Not sure what you are trying to say....Most vehicles I have owned required expense above regular maintenance the first 100k miles


I'm 99% sure the only thing I have fixed pre 100K on my own vehicles at my own expense was a brake light on one of my dodges.

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The 5.3L with a 6-speed doesn't do very well. Ram with an 8-speed should beat it in gas mileage easily.

Now the chevy 6.2L is another story, but I assume that's not part of the comparison.


Every Chevy my fathers owned has beaten my ram for mpg's. The 8 speed might make the hemi get better that the '13 and older ones with the 6 and 5 speeds, but it's still not going to beat a late model silverado for mpgs all things being equal.
Old Rams got terrible mpg - no doubt about that. Newer hemis with the 8-speed and a low-reduction rear axle are getting 19-21 on the hwy, and I don't think anyone with the 5.3L and a 6-speed is getting that.

Now if you get a Ram Hemi with the 8-speed, but a 4x4 and a towing rear end, then you're back at 14-15 mpg like the old Rams. I probably shouldn't have made the global statement about the Ram being better than the 5.3L, but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years and it's a dog of an engine from a power and efficiency standpoint (although mine was incredibly reliable). I had the 4-speed in mine, but it never did better than 16 or maybe 17 mpg on pure highway. My buddy had the 6-speed in his 5.3L with AFM and got basically the same mpg. I've heard with a better rear end you can get 18-19 mpg with the new 5.3L with AFM, but I still don't think it tops the best numbers that Ram's Hemi can put out.

Chevy's 6.2L is getting well over 20 on the highway with a non-towing rear end and 2WD, and I've heard you don't even have to baby it and slow down to get those numbers. I wish trucks with that motor were more affordable.


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but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years


I think where your wrong is with this statement. There have been some significant changes in the 5.3 in the last few years you have no experience with from your old 5.3. If your 5.3 was an '05 then it was before AFM which is comparable to MDS that dodge runs on the hemi. I believe AFM came out as an option in 2007 or so?

Also the 2014 plus got about a 40-50 hp bump and from what I hear get quite a bit better mpg than its predecessor.

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but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years


I think where your wrong is with this statement. There have been some significant changes in the 5.3 in the last few years you have no experience with from your old 5.3. If your 5.3 was an '05 then it was before AFM which is comparable to MDS that dodge runs on the hemi. I believe AFM came out as an option in 2007 or so?

Also the 2014 plus got about a 40-50 hp bump and from what I hear get quite a bit better mpg than its predecessor.
Yeah I had a buddy who had a 2007 with AFM and the 6-speed and his numbers for mpg weren't really any better. 2WD Z71 model, so I don't understand why his gas mileage still stunk.

I admit I have no experience with the newer ones, but I haven't heard of anyone getting 20+ on the highway like I do with the Ram/Hemi/8-speed with a 3.21 rear end. On the flip side, I have no personal experience with either of these motors in the last couple model years.

ETA: my 5.3L was a 2004 model. Only thing I ever had to do was clean the throttle body once. Bulletproof engine, but no power and drank the gas.

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The 5.3L with a 6-speed doesn't do very well. Ram with an 8-speed should beat it in gas mileage easily.

Now the chevy 6.2L is another story, but I assume that's not part of the comparison.


Every Chevy my fathers owned has beaten my ram for mpg's. The 8 speed might make the hemi get better that the '13 and older ones with the 6 and 5 speeds, but it's still not going to beat a late model silverado for mpgs all things being equal.
Old Rams got terrible mpg - no doubt about that. Newer hemis with the 8-speed and a low-reduction rear axle are getting 19-21 on the hwy, and I don't think anyone with the 5.3L and a 6-speed is getting that.

Now if you get a Ram Hemi with the 8-speed, but a 4x4 and a towing rear end, then you're back at 14-15 mpg like the old Rams. I probably shouldn't have made the global statement about the Ram being better than the 5.3L, but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years and it's a dog of an engine from a power and efficiency standpoint (although mine was incredibly reliable). I had the 4-speed in mine, but it never did better than 16 or maybe 17 mpg on pure highway. My buddy had the 6-speed in his 5.3L with AFM and got basically the same mpg. I've heard with a better rear end you can get 18-19 mpg with the new 5.3L with AFM, but I still don't think it tops the best numbers that Ram's Hemi can put out.

Chevy's 6.2L is getting well over 20 on the highway with a non-towing rear end and 2WD, and I've heard you don't even have to baby it and slow down to get those numbers. I wish trucks with that motor were more affordable.


My fathers '11 z71 5.3 extended cab got the same or better mpgs as my 6 speed '13 2wd single cab ram. He can get 23+ highway in his '15 2wd 5.3. Just hand calculated his tank this morning and it was over 20 with mixed driving. The Ram is not going to beat the Chevy in the mpg category all things being equal. The hemi is a more powerful, higher compression motor that recommends using mid grade. Mine out performs a 5.3 hands down, but it's not gonna suck less gas doing it...even with a 8 speed.




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but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years


I think where your wrong is with this statement. There have been some significant changes in the 5.3 in the last few years you have no experience with from your old 5.3. If your 5.3 was an '05 then it was before AFM which is comparable to MDS that dodge runs on the hemi. I believe AFM came out as an option in 2007 or so?

Also the 2014 plus got about a 40-50 hp bump and from what I hear get quite a bit better mpg than its predecessor.
Yeah I had a buddy who had a 2007 with AFM and the 6-speed and his numbers for mpg weren't really any better. 2WD Z71 model, so I don't understand why his gas mileage still stunk.

I admit I have no experience with the newer ones, but I haven't heard of anyone getting 20+ on the highway like I do with the Ram/Hemi/8-speed with a 3.21 rear end. On the flip side, I have no personal experience with either of these motors in the last couple model years.

ETA: my 5.3L was a 2004 model. Only thing I ever had to do was clean the throttle body once. Bulletproof engine, but no power and drank the gas.


My mom has a 2006 tahoe with 3.23 rear end its a great running vehicle. It gets around 20 on the hwy. Big thing is it is a 4 speed not a 6 or 8 like the new ones.

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The 5.3L with a 6-speed doesn't do very well. Ram with an 8-speed should beat it in gas mileage easily.

Now the chevy 6.2L is another story, but I assume that's not part of the comparison.


Every Chevy my fathers owned has beaten my ram for mpg's. The 8 speed might make the hemi get better that the '13 and older ones with the 6 and 5 speeds, but it's still not going to beat a late model silverado for mpgs all things being equal.
Old Rams got terrible mpg - no doubt about that. Newer hemis with the 8-speed and a low-reduction rear axle are getting 19-21 on the hwy, and I don't think anyone with the 5.3L and a 6-speed is getting that.

Now if you get a Ram Hemi with the 8-speed, but a 4x4 and a towing rear end, then you're back at 14-15 mpg like the old Rams. I probably shouldn't have made the global statement about the Ram being better than the 5.3L, but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years and it's a dog of an engine from a power and efficiency standpoint (although mine was incredibly reliable). I had the 4-speed in mine, but it never did better than 16 or maybe 17 mpg on pure highway. My buddy had the 6-speed in his 5.3L with AFM and got basically the same mpg. I've heard with a better rear end you can get 18-19 mpg with the new 5.3L with AFM, but I still don't think it tops the best numbers that Ram's Hemi can put out.

Chevy's 6.2L is getting well over 20 on the highway with a non-towing rear end and 2WD, and I've heard you don't even have to baby it and slow down to get those numbers. I wish trucks with that motor were more affordable.


My fathers '11 z71 5.3 extended cab got the same or better mpgs as my 6 speed '13 2wd single cab ram. He can get 23+ highway in his '15 2wd 5.3. Just hand calculated his tank this morning and it was over 20 with mixed driving. The Ram is not going to beat the Chevy in the mpg category all things being equal. The hemi is a more powerful, higher compression motor that recommends using mid grade. Mine out performs a 5.3 hands down, but it's not gonna suck less gas doing it...even with a 8 speed.
Apparently the newer ones are getting better. That's good news, because they're still behind the curve in power and towing IIRC. I'm a Chevy guy, and I didn't even really consider the new 5.3L when I bought a truck last year.


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but I owned a 5.3L for the last 12 years


I think where your wrong is with this statement. There have been some significant changes in the 5.3 in the last few years you have no experience with from your old 5.3. If your 5.3 was an '05 then it was before AFM which is comparable to MDS that dodge runs on the hemi. I believe AFM came out as an option in 2007 or so?

Also the 2014 plus got about a 40-50 hp bump and from what I hear get quite a bit better mpg than its predecessor.
Yeah I had a buddy who had a 2007 with AFM and the 6-speed and his numbers for mpg weren't really any better. 2WD Z71 model, so I don't understand why his gas mileage still stunk.

I admit I have no experience with the newer ones, but I haven't heard of anyone getting 20+ on the highway like I do with the Ram/Hemi/8-speed with a 3.21 rear end. On the flip side, I have no personal experience with either of these motors in the last couple model years.

ETA: my 5.3L was a 2004 model. Only thing I ever had to do was clean the throttle body once. Bulletproof engine, but no power and drank the gas.


My mom has a 2006 tahoe with 3.23 rear end its a great running vehicle. It gets around 20 on the hwy. Big thing is it is a 4 speed not a 6 or 8 like the new ones.
That's not too surprising. I heard some of those old Suburbans with the 3.08 could get near mid-20s on pure highway trips, but nobody ever got near that sort of mpg in a pickup as far as I knew about.


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I don't think I have ever spent money on a vehicle under 100k that wasn't regular maintenance or and addition to the vehicle.
Not sure what you are trying to say....Most vehicles I have owned required expense above regular maintenance the first 100k miles


I'm 99% sure the only thing I have fixed pre 100K on my own vehicles at my own expense was a brake light on one of my dodges.
That is good....I had a 96 Ford pu that before 75k I had a master cylinder,ac compressor and an alternator go bad..didnt stop me from buyng another though....of the the three Toyota trucks all have done well to 100k,however a 2011 FJ the wife drives is a different story....I dont believe there is one truck better than the other myself...its luck of the draw if you have few if any issues or bad luck with the vehicle if you are having issues with...would be happy with any made today.

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