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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: ShamrockSmith] #12102829 02/20/17 03:39 PM
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Yes. Each individual in the boat is legally able to catch 1 over each in their limit. But it has to be caught by each angler.

Now......there are some tournaments which will only allow you to weigh 1 over in. But most will let you weigh 2 in your limit.

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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: sprigsss] #12102852 02/20/17 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I think maybe he was referring to a lake like Jacksonville where you are only allowed 2 fish under 18". Maybe.


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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: ShamrockSmith] #12102865 02/20/17 03:58 PM
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Is there a special exception for that?

Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: Jeezy] #12102978 02/20/17 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: CoachCBA
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Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I think maybe he was referring to a lake like Jacksonville where you are only allowed 2 fish under 18". Maybe.


That's the lakes I'm referring to as well. I've seen a number of teams weigh in 4 unders and have 1 person state that their partner caught all the fish that day. In team tournaments I've never heard of anyone being asked if each person caught 2 unders, or if 1 person caught more than 2 unders. If you are lucky enough to cull your unders (which can happen all day on Alan Henry), can anyone honestly say after several culls who each fish in that livewell?

If it doesn't matter with unders, why does it matter with overs?

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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: sprigsss] #12103003 02/20/17 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
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Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I think maybe he was referring to a lake like Jacksonville where you are only allowed 2 fish under 18". Maybe.


That's the lakes I'm referring to as well. I've seen a number of teams weigh in 4 unders and have 1 person state that their partner caught all the fish that day. In team tournaments I've never heard of anyone being asked if each person caught 2 unders, or if 1 person caught more than 2 unders. If you are lucky enough to cull your unders (which can happen all day on Alan Henry), can anyone honestly say after several culls who each fish in that livewell?

If it doesn't matter with unders, why does it matter with overs?


Good point. I'll admit I don't really pay attention to it.


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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: ShamrockSmith] #12103163 02/20/17 06:46 PM
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I remember the old Axton night tournaments back in the day before the slot changed and it was common to catch over the slot fish. We had two weigh ins and were allowed to bring in 2 over the slot fish at each weigh in to go with 3 more under the slot fish. There were many times me and my partner would bring in 2 overs for each weigh in but I don't remember anyone ever asking who caught what. Then again I remember 4 over the slot fish by themselves not even getting you in the money with the likes of Dreabon Joiner and others winning all the time with the limits and fish they brought in.


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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: sprigsss] #12103279 02/20/17 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I question it. In fact I have had this discussion over email with two folks from bud light and refuse to fish them anymore because of the way they handle this rule at Ivie and Alan Henry. Its against state law if each person doesn't contribute two of the fish weighed in my opinion and without a polygraph how will you know.

Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: balata9999] #12103308 02/20/17 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I question it. In fact I have had this discussion over email with two folks from bud light and refuse to fish them anymore because of the way they handle this rule at Ivie and Alan Henry. Its against state law if each person doesn't contribute two of the fish weighed in my opinion and without a polygraph how will you know.


So if you and your partner each catch multiple unders, cull several times, and must weigh in 4 unders, are you telling me you are going to be 100% certain at the end of the day that you caught 2 of the unders weighed in and your partner caught the other 2 unders weighed in? If your partner is sticking 2.5 lb unders and you are catching 1.5 lb unders, I'm betting you show up to the weigh in with 4 unders that weigh 10 lbs.


I have been checked several times with more than two unders in my livewell on Alan Henry, and I've never been asked by the game warden how many of them I caught.

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Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I question it. In fact I have had this discussion over email with two folks from bud light and refuse to fish them anymore because of the way they handle this rule at Ivie and Alan Henry. Its against state law if each person doesn't contribute two of the fish weighed in my opinion and without a polygraph how will you know.


So if you and your partner each catch multiple unders, cull several times, and must weigh in 4 unders, are you telling me you are going to be 100% certain at the end of the day that you caught 2 of the unders weighed in and your partner caught the other 2 unders weighed in? If your partner is sticking 2.5 lb unders and you are catching 1.5 lb unders, I'm betting you show up to the weigh in with 4 unders that weigh 10 lbs.


I have been checked several times with more than two unders in my livewell on Alan Henry, and I've never been asked by the game warden how many of them I caught.


You could keep them separate in the livewells, right?


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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: Jeezy] #12103339 02/20/17 08:17 PM
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Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I question it. In fact I have had this discussion over email with two folks from bud light and refuse to fish them anymore because of the way they handle this rule at Ivie and Alan Henry. Its against state law if each person doesn't contribute two of the fish weighed in my opinion and without a polygraph how will you know.


So if you and your partner each catch multiple unders, cull several times, and must weigh in 4 unders, are you telling me you are going to be 100% certain at the end of the day that you caught 2 of the unders weighed in and your partner caught the other 2 unders weighed in? If your partner is sticking 2.5 lb unders and you are catching 1.5 lb unders, I'm betting you show up to the weigh in with 4 unders that weigh 10 lbs.


I have been checked several times with more than two unders in my livewell on Alan Henry, and I've never been asked by the game warden how many of them I caught.


You could keep them separate in the livewells, right?


Sure you can. I'm just curious if ANYONE is actually doing this. Not saying their isn't a way. Only saying I know of NO ONE that is doing this. It is an interesting question for sure. I completely understand the argument that each angler much be responsible for 2 fish each, just have never seen anyone question it before.

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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: sprigsss] #12103360 02/20/17 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
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[quote=sprigsss]Ive seen a lot of limits with more than two unders weighed in where limit is 2 unders per person.

Ive yet to hear anyone question as to whether each fisherman each caught two.

Unless tournament rules state 1 over, why would overs be treated any differently.


I question it. In fact I have had this discussion over email with two folks from bud light and refuse to fish them anymore because of the way they handle this rule at Ivie and Alan Henry. Its against state law if each person doesn't contribute two of the fish weighed in my opinion and without a polygraph how will you know. [/quote

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So if you and your partner each catch multiple unders, cull several times, and must weigh in 4 unders, are you telling me you are going to be 100% certain at the end of the day that you caught 2 of the unders weighed in and your partner caught the other 2 unders weighed in? If your partner is sticking 2.5 lb unders and you are catching 1.5 lb unders, I'm betting you show up to the weigh in with 4 unders that weigh 10 lbs.


I have been checked several times with more than two unders in my livewell on Alan Henry, and I've never been asked by the game warden how many of them I caught.


Easy, approach it like an individual tourney keeping each partners fish on one side of the livewell, (overs don't matter in this approach) cull your own fish and at the weigh in combine. Your above situation is my problem with it. Thats why I don't fish them anymore. Its my opinion maybe but I believe thats against the state regulations. In your example if you had a family of four all on the boat together that had licenses but only the dad was fishing and he caught eight unders and kept them all - its the same thing and I think its wrong.

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Re: Can 2 fish over slot be retained in a team tournament? [Re: balata9999] #12104194 02/21/17 04:52 AM
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In your example if you had a family of four all on the boat together that had licenses but only the dad was fishing and he caught eight unders and kept them all - its the same thing and I think its wrong.


But that is the law... It is 'per person' yes, but based on all those fishing or eligible. How do you think guides handle it when they have a boat full for striper fishing?


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In your example if you had a family of four all on the boat together that had licenses but only the dad was fishing and he caught eight unders and kept them all - its the same thing and I think its wrong.


But that is the law... It is 'per person' yes, but based on all those fishing or eligible. How do you think guides handle it when they have a boat full for striper fishing?


This might shed some light: http://www.lsonews.com/john-keith-61/
Its not the law - the law is per person - maybe its hard to enforce because proving that in a court could be extremly difficult for the state especially since polygraphs aren't accepable in court, but its still against the law. I couldn't pass a poly if I did it in a tournament - and don't care to fish against those who have no problem with it.

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