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Wilderness Radar 115 #12088139 02/11/17 02:05 AM
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Has anyone used the Radar 115? ACK tells me the Helix pedals aren't shipping yet, but maybe someone can give a paddle report on it.

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Curious to hear some feedback myself, I don't think the pedals will be available until late March. That being said let's TTT. fish


"Many people go fishing their whole lives without knowing that it is not fishing that they are after." -Henry David Thoreau
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I have the Wilderness Systems ATAK 140.. Love it.. Added a 45 lb thrust trolling motor to the rear. Its wireless and you use a remote.. Gets me across the lake then when I am ready to fish. just use the paddle then. You have to register it in texas for 35 bucks for 2 years but that has been the only draw back so far! Runs all day on one charge!
Here is a video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5c8zQ_sVlg&t=2s

Re: Wilderness Radar 115 [Re: Bill Gary] #12091196 02/13/17 03:02 PM
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I have the Radar 115, and i love it. I've only had a chance to fish on it 3 or 4 times since I bought it, but It's a great kayak. I sold my Ride 115x to buy this one, and when I compare them, the Radar is so much more stable, it seems faster, and tracks really well. I can stand and fish in the Radar a lot easier than i could in the Ride. Apparently my balance isn't great. It's a great kayak, and I can't wait to get the Helix pedal drive added to it! Holler at me if you have any specific questions

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Flash, thanks for responding. Do you fish freshwater, or saltwater (or both)? I travel in an RV and want to fish saltwater flats and bays when home and freshwater in Colorado, AZ, and E. Texas.

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Re: Wilderness Radar 115 [Re: Bill Gary] #12091954 02/13/17 08:35 PM
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Bill, the pedal drive should be available around March or so. The boat and the HPD are offered separate because the Radar was designed to be a paddle first kayak with the peddle option. Like Frog said, its a great paddle yak with super stability and tracking.

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Thanks frog. I'm assuming the rudder is a separate option for the Radar. Lots of questions. but I'm on the road until the end of next week. As soon as I get back to Spring, I will have a rack installed on my jeep for a Radar.

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The rudder will come with the pedal drive

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Great, thanks Frog.

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Bill, I normally fish freshwater, but would have no problem putting this kayak in the saltwater flats. I've been really happy with it, and I can't wait to get the pedal drive

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Thanks, Flash. I don't mind starting out without the pedals, But, as an old man, the pedals are essential for all day fishing, in my opinion.

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Im torn between the Radar 115 or the 135 big brother radar!! I wonder how good the 115 is on open water on big lakes. It would make since to get the bigger yak but I like the lighter weight and length of the 115.

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In addition to the length differential, the 115 is actually 2 cm, so about an inch wider than its big brother, the 135; and, its deck height is just a tiny fraction lower. In all, if the carrying capacity load tests are accurate, it nets out an additional 25 lbs. for the larger 135. Weight difference? 7 lbs.

This reminds me a little bit of the relationship between the Native Propel 10 and the 13 where the 10 is actually a bit wider, shares (supposedly) the same load capacity.

I'd guess one would find the 115 to be: slightly slower in a pedal or paddle effort, equally stable to waves coming in perpendicular to its long axis but slightly more "rocking" in front on wave action, slightly less stable standing, and that the 115 will turn tighter.

For me, I'd go with the 115 just because I have adopted a kayaking rationale, irrespective of all of the above, that "if you can't reach it, what good is the extra length." So, in the 115 out on the water, one could twist around and likely reach all the way near the back of the tank well area, likely lean forward and maybe even access the storage up there, too. With the 13' 6" model, what 22 inches, would be out of reach. Still good space for anyone who'd pull over and hop out to access more gear.

Either will be a great kayak!

Brad

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Ponder this:

A Wilderness Radar 115 is: 11' 8" versus a Wilderness ATAK 120 at 12' 3" so the ATAK is 7" longer.

The 115 is listed at the same 88 cm as the 120 but in inches, 34.5" versus 35" (go figure!) but let's say the same width.

The 115s deck height is 15" versus the 120s 16"

The 115 is 82 lbs. of plastic versus 89 pounds of plastic for the 120.

So, for two boats essentially the same width, one 7" longer with a deck height (profile) one inch taller . . .

How is it that the Radar 115 purportedly has a maximum capacity of 450 lbs. versus 400 lbs. for the ATAK 120?

I get the idea that the taper of each kayak might explain some difference, that is, that the 115 might me wider along more of its long axis, but 50 lbs. is a really big difference for a smaller vessel to hold over a larger one.

I asked a factory rep but he didn't seem to know.

Brad




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Re: Wilderness Radar 115 [Re: Bill Gary] #12104538 02/21/17 02:24 PM
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Brad, I asked your question to some engineers. The reply I got back was that based on the dimensions theres is roughly 7 cu in difference. That doesn't sound like a whole lot but when you factor in the amount of buoyancy that adds it can make a significant difference.

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