After a number of break offs on fish and timber I had to see if it was my knot or the line that was breaking.

As a preface, I am only posting to share results... not to downplay and product.

Line tested was Berkeley 100% Florocarbon Vanish 20lb test.

I used multiple knots like the uni knot, double uni, cinch, improved cinch and polymer knot.

With each knot I tied to an equal size eyelet to a 4/0 hook to the weight source and the pulling source.

With a slow lift I was never able to get 20 lbs off the ground.

As a sanity check my friend used his copolymer pline cxx Xtra strong 20lb test with a uni knot and was able to lift the 20lbs and give it a little bounce before breaking, same result with each knot.

that's why they call it Vanish....... it's what your fish do while you are trying to get them to the boat

Vanish is garbage. It was horrible line when they were charging $10.00 a spool and it is still garbage at $20.00 a spool. Where line is concerned you are always better off spending a few dollars more and going with a brand that's only product is line.

I did the exact test with Sunline Sniper 16lb VS Big Game 15lb. No mater what knot I tied the 16lb Sniper would not lift 15 lbs of weight off the floor, it broke every time. The 15lb Big Game would lift the weight off the floor with what ever knot I tied. Ive tried and tried but I just can't buy into the fluorocarbon craze.

tried it - no likey

I have to say... I am done with floro for the most part. It will be hard to try it again.

Love it! Couldn't be more true!

No doubt about it!

Thanks for posting your results! Interesting though not a surprise with Vanish, it's usually berated when the floro brand topic comes up. Just remember, mono still does everything it did before floro got popular for freshwater bass fishing. If it ain't broke then don't........

With you 100%. I am interested in the P-Line copolymer but I'm done with fluoro. Big Game is cheap and reliable.

You are absolutely right 361V, this is a bandwagon I shouldn't have jumped on.

^^

I can't image a worse fishing line.

What sparked this whole test is my last trip with my friend who uses the pline copolymer. I lost three jigs and he brought in three large limbs.... he was so tangled up at one time he was close to cutting the line and said "screw it" pulled until nearly straightening hig 5/0 hook... didn't break the line.

Only fluorocarbon I use is red label with line conditioner. I refuse to pay for the expensive stuff anymore. 20lb red label is very strong imo. If using copolymer, I use izorline or mcoys

I am pretty much done with Fluoro and just started spooling CoPoly

Vanish isn't very good and I have also had problems with Viscous as well.

I've used a good bit of P-line CX 6lb and 8lb on spinning reels - landed my best bass a week ago, 5 1/2 lbs on an ultra-light rod/reel. I've been pretty happy with it. I don't think it has the abrasion resistance of plain mono, but lacks memory issues I have heard/read with straight Floro. Perhaps co-poly is a better option vs some others.

5 1/2lb bass on an ultralight! I bet that was exhausting! Lol!

I've already re-strung my heavier rods with copolymer 20, I have lighter stuff on order.

I brought it a 65# cat this weekend on 12# PLine 100% flouro

I have been using that P line cxx in 12 and 15 lb for about the last year and a half. I love it. It sometimes gets frustrating how hard it is to break off a lure that is really hung up. You really got to horse it hard and then get a good jack to get it to break.

Vanish is the sorriest line known to man or woman for that matter.

Worst line ever! I can't believe they still sell it. I quit using Berkeley line because of this junk. If you want a budget friendly fluorocarbon go with Seaguar Red Label 👍

I use floro almost exclusively. And I know I'm in the minority here but I'm not a fan of sunline sniper either. I had two break off on me this summer and that's the only time I've ever used sunline. I have never had a fish break off on Seagur Invisix. It is my favorite. The BPS brand isn't bad either but I prefer Invisix or abrasix.

This !! Invizx for about 2 years couldn't be happier and I tried them all, have to say Vanish would be the last one on my list. JMO

Fluoro almost always has a smaller line diameter than mono/copoly. Also the biggest draw to fluoro to me is the abrasion resistance and lower stretch. At least it is to me. I have experimented and found that fluoro has a place in my fishing.

Try P-Line Floro Clear. Best of both worlds. Has a smaller diameter than cxx and almost as strong....

I agree with you.....the lakes here in East Tennessee are super clear...I "bought-in" on the f/c craze...I fished it for a number of years....I haven't had much luck with it....always breaking off...don't know if it gets brittle in our colder water....but, I've gone back to Big Game (clear).....haven't had any drop in numbers of catches....I have, however, seen an increase in my bank acct...f/c is too expensive, IMO...

izorline or big game

If you had to use only the Berkley Vanish fishing line at the Bass Champs Berkley Big bass Tourny they would not have to give any boats away. That stuff is just JUNK! My2cents

If you had to use only the Berkley Vanish fishing line at the Bass Champs Berkley Big bass Tourny they would not have to give any boats away. That stuff is just JUNK! My2cents

I use the Berkeley Trilene 100% Professional Grade for all of my Fluro needs. I have not had too many "unreasonable" breakoffs using it. I use the word unreasonable because a 2 lb. bass sawing across a mesquite limb, boat dock brace or a pine log is going to cause a weak spot in the line that is just waiting for the next big fish to break it. And I am not the best at retying after each one of these instances. I am more in a hurry to go catch the next one.

I jumped on the Fluro band wagon and really don't regret it except the price. I still use Mono for top water baits and when I want to raise the running depth of a crank bait. But I can definitely tell the difference in the stretch on the hook set. I have started substituting braid for a lot my fluro uses. They have really raised the quality and cast ability of braid in the last 5 yrs. It is thinner than mono, floats, extra strong, no stretch and drives a hook home even on a weak hook set.

I have been using the P-line CXX for most everything the last few years. But I tired the McCoys line and really like it....strong, casts very well. I'm going to give their fluor a try and see how it performs.

Invizx 15 and 20 works really good. On my spinning reel I use 8lb CXXX copoly Pline and it can't be broken. You could jig fish with 12lb Pline

Me too! Invisx has never let me down.

I commented on another similar post earlier and thought I was in the minority when it came to this subject. I thought it was just me not being able to tie certain knots properly that prevented knot breakage with fluoro. After reading this thread I am glad I did but also not surprised that many still use the tried and true Berkley Big Game line. I also noted that the majority of fluoro success stories are with InvisX. This is the Go-To fluorocarbon most pros use. But its too rich for me as much line as I go through!! LOL

I use Vanish. I do this because I fish a lot and it gets bites. I will admit, if you hang a jig in timber kiss it goodbye. I personally have never broken it on a fish. I also use Invsix, and yes I love it, but I have a kids to feed as well. If you are a chronic backlasher, don't use Flouro at all. If you are fishing open water baits, just use Vanish. If you are fishing bottom bouncing lures around timber then go with a little more expensive line. Now, do this only if you can't get the bites using Berkley Big Game! All around best line ever. The money you save will allow you to buy your date popcorn at the movie...at least until Trump gets rolling.

I've been using Berkeley Vanish for several years and have never had a problem with the line breaking.

Well, I think the reason Invizx is likely most mentioned, Red Label, too, is they are made by Seaguar and this company likely has a big advantage over almost all other fluorocarbon line manufacturers: It doesn't outsource for materials, uses its own resins.

A lot of times, as we all know, a product failure can be traced to some outsourced component that failed, a quality control issue.

It doesn't mean someone building something from scratch can't produce a lousy product, but at least, in this case Seaguar, controls its own destiny.

And, it shows. I do think there are some other really great flurocarbons and more than a few with some product "range," but Seaguar throws out a less expensive and functional line in Red Label, then it has the very high quality Invizx, Abrazx for another specific purpose . . . and probably 9 out of 10 would rank Tatsu as the premier among all of these lines.

They have half a dozen or more other technique-specific lines, too.

No, Seaguar doesn't sell its resins to others nor does it private label product for sale under other names.

Brad

If I read it right it is at the knot where it breaks not the line itself right? What I've found out about Floro no matter what brand you have you need to keep the knot wet the entire time while cinching it down or it develops too much friction and weakens the knot. After I have starting doing that the knot almost never breaks it's down the line somewhere on a nick or pinch from Professional Overcast(birdnest for the novice I've done it so much I'm considered a Pro at it LOL )

Glad you pointed this out, I did take this into consideration when tying the knots, even pulled them tight at sloth speeds. That being said, the kicker is that the copolymer knots were tied the exact same way.

Fish will Vanish!