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#11970165 - 12/06/16 07:38 PM Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity
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Buddy and I were having a discussion today after news broke about the Ram Ecodiesel emissions lawsuit and I started talking about how few good options there are out there for price, mpg, and towing capability. If you want 8k lbs or more towing capacity, what is the best option available for price and mpg?
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#11972402 - 12/07/16 08:41 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Older diesel trucks that had no restrictions beat them all on cost to operate. Towing capacity is not as robust as the new diesels but more than enough for 12 k every day.

I'm assuming you are talking about new vehicles so the 3.5 ecoboost would possibly be the best beast.


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#11973288 - 12/08/16 11:05 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Think you have to factor in what's most important for you, mpg's or performance. Hard to have you cake and eat it to. My $.02.

I'd REALLY like an owner to chime in on the Titan 5.0l diesel's towing and MPG. Seen some advertised pretty well loaded for $40K (leather, nav, 4x4).

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#11973322 - 12/08/16 11:15 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: Samsonsworld]
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Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
Think you have to factor in what's most important for you, mpg's or performance. Hard to have you cake and eat it to. My $.02.

I'd REALLY like an owner to chime in on the Titan 5.0l diesel's towing and MPG. Seen some advertised pretty well loaded for $40K (leather, nav, 4x4).
I didn't realize you could get those for that sort of price. The one I saw had an MSRP in the mid $50s. If the mpg are decent, I think that could be a real winner. But I haven't looked at the specs enough to know if it's really getting the power and mpg that it should. I have concerns about the Titan drivetrain really weighing it down. Would like to see numbers for at-the-wheel power and torque.
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#11973324 - 12/08/16 11:16 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: Allison1]
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Originally Posted By: Allison1
Older diesel trucks that had no restrictions beat them all on cost to operate. Towing capacity is not as robust as the new diesels but more than enough for 12 k every day.

I'm assuming you are talking about new vehicles so the 3.5 ecoboost would possibly be the best beast.

What is the 3.5 getting on normal highway driving (70 mph cruise control)?

I'll have to see what kind of tow ratings it has. Wouldn't be great if you were forced to get a lower gear rear end to be able to tow more than 7k lbs.
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#11973575 - 12/08/16 01:20 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Think that's a tuff question, if there was one out and out winner we would all be driving it.

Fuel economy winner - ecodiesel
Performance winner - 3.5 Ecoboost
Good muscle and reputation for performance and durability - 5.7 iforce

For me I'm willing to sacrifice performance for economy so I have a Ecodiesel. Cost across the board is debatable. Yes the ecodiesel option costs some cash, but I bought a well optioned tradesman and paid a lot less for it than may people paid for loaded leather and navigation in comparable trucks with gas motors.

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#11973581 - 12/08/16 01:22 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: Samsonsworld]
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Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
Think you have to factor in what's most important for you, mpg's or performance. Hard to have you cake and eat it to. My $.02.

I'd REALLY like an owner to chime in on the Titan 5.0l diesel's towing and MPG. Seen some advertised pretty well loaded for $40K (leather, nav, 4x4).


I have not driven one but the 0-60 time is slower than the ecodiesel... which we all know is slow. Some tests show it falls short of its advertised performance specs. And looking at fuely it gets about the exact same fuel mileage as the 3/4 ton diesels.

The only thing I see going for them is the 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty.

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#11973586 - 12/08/16 01:23 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Add in a GDE tuned ecodiesel and I think it could be a winner.

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#11974269 - 12/08/16 08:16 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: redchevy]
patriot07 Offline
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
Think you have to factor in what's most important for you, mpg's or performance. Hard to have you cake and eat it to. My $.02.

I'd REALLY like an owner to chime in on the Titan 5.0l diesel's towing and MPG. Seen some advertised pretty well loaded for $40K (leather, nav, 4x4).


I have not driven one but the 0-60 time is slower than the ecodiesel... which we all know is slow. Some tests show it falls short of its advertised performance specs. And looking at fuely it gets about the exact same fuel mileage as the 3/4 ton diesels.

The only thing I see going for them is the 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty.
Never mind then. I don't see how a 5.0 Cummins is slower than the ED and gets worse mpg.
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#11974278 - 12/08/16 08:19 PM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Think that's a tuff question, if there was one out and out winner we would all be driving it.

Fuel economy winner - ecodiesel
Performance winner - 3.5 Ecoboost
Good muscle and reputation for performance and durability - 5.7 iforce

For me I'm willing to sacrifice performance for economy so I have a Ecodiesel. Cost across the board is debatable. Yes the ecodiesel option costs some cash, but I bought a well optioned tradesman and paid a lot less for it than may people paid for loaded leather and navigation in comparable trucks with gas motors.
Mainly, I was trying to figure out what my options are if I need to replace the ED due to this emissions deal. If I only need to tow 7k-8k lbs, I'm not sure there is anything in the same ballpark.
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#11974718 - 12/09/16 07:51 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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2017 3.5 ecoboost with 10 speed transmission is going to be interesting.

My 2016 ecoboost is loaded out with the heavy duty towing package and 4wd. I average 19mpg. On my way to OK a few months ago I got 21 with the cruise mostly set @ 70. For a truck that is equipped to tow 12,000lbs, I like what I am getting out of it. The last gas 1/2 ton truck that I had that could tow 10k+, averaged 13mpg (GM 6.0). Lucky to get 17 on the highway. I loved that truck, but good Lord could it drink some fuel.

One more thing about the 2017...it will have 375hp, 470lb/ft of torque
The 16 is 365, 420


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#11974760 - 12/09/16 08:18 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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I agree that's stellar mpg for a truck that can tow 12k.

If the 2017 ecoboost is getting 22-24 mpg highway with the 10-speed when it's configured to tow 12k, that's going to be a huge seller. Might be the best legitimate option for towing and gas mileage.

I love the Chevy 6.2, but they just don't sell it in any trucks that cost less than $40k it seems.
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#11974765 - 12/09/16 08:20 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Not sure what all will come of the new emissions deal regarding the Ecodiesel. On one hand I will be looking to collect whatever they will give me and do buyback on the other I may be willing to have whatever they want to do done and then just do a full delete shortly after if it changes much with the truck.

I really don't know at the current time, but if things go the way I hope they do with our new political changes taking place, the way the EPA thinks might change... I sure hope so and things will get better for the future of diesel vehicles.

If today I had to get rid of my ecodiesel and pick another production truck to replace it, it would be a 3.5 ecoboost. If driven accordingly it will get the same or better fuel mileage than the v-8's and when you put the hammer down it undoubtedly out performs them.

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#11974778 - 12/09/16 08:27 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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I'm kind of at a different point on my ED. When I bought it, I got a lifetime powertrain warranty. So if I do an emissions delete it's going to void that. That means I'm kind of at the mercy of whatever FCA decides to do. If it comes down to reducing mpg by 10%-20% or selling the truck back, I'll probably sell it back. I love it, but not if it's getting 23-24 mpg and still have the DEF, expensive oil changes, and emissions sytems liabilities of a diesel. I'd rather have an F-150 with no emissions concerns filling up with gas and rated to tow 12k.

All that said, I just don't think I could ever lay my head on the pillow at night with a Ford. I've never had a major issue with any Dodge or Chevy I've owned, and the only two Fords we had in our family growing up had major, major problems. So I've written them off the list and had great reliability with everything else, and there just isn't any trust there for me.
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#11974811 - 12/09/16 08:44 AM Re: Truck with best combination of price, mpg, and towing capacity [Re: patriot07]
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Dad wrote them off because of a bad salesman when he tried to trade in his '85 ford. Since 1994 we were a GM family and dad wont hardly look at anything but a GM.

I try to keep an open mind and buy what is best at the time. For a large portion of my life I felt GM had some of the best 1/2 tons around. I don't like AFM and while I think the 5.3 is a good motor it is lagging its competition in performance pretty bad. I have no love affair with any of them, but I think if I had to pick one auto maker that's doing the most things right (in my opinion) at the moment, it would have to be ford.

I think their crosovers/cars compete well. The ecoboost is definitely a force to be reckoned with in the 1/2 ton market, and there are no flies on the powerjoke when compared to its competitors.

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