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#11949891 - 11/24/16 03:52 PM My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar
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Last time i shared my thoughts on this matter i had several dozen people threaten to kill me, hopefully this go around people are more civil.
Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are a total idiot or they are a vegan transgender atheist apache dog who voted for Hillary.
I wanted to share my strong opinions with the world and make it known where is stand exactly on the matter of bow fishing and on the conservation of alligator gar.
You can take my opinions or leave them one thing i can say is alligator gar..the big ones, the ones over 7 foot are going to become increasingly more rare over the next 10 years until they can barely be found at all as the internet gathers more and more information on how and where to target these fish making them easier for people to target and find in their remote waters they call home.


Edited by SharkBaitTV (11/24/16 03:53 PM)
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#11951233 - 11/25/16 02:58 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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> ... vegan transgender atheist apache dog who voted for Hillary ...

LOL. So, who did you vote for?

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#11951358 - 11/25/16 04:38 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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I am not a bowfisherman but it dosnt look like there is any shortage of them.

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#11951698 - 11/25/16 09:08 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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Right now the regulations are 1 per day, are you saying that's not working? I like the idea of over a certain length it's cpr only, but you can't cpr with a bow.
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#11951966 - 11/26/16 07:40 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: dmunsie]
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no the 1 per day regulation per angler is broken and does not protect these fish at all. can copy paste from another forum where people are arguing for their right to release 7 foot gar with arrow holes in them. people just fish over the limit or put 6 people in the boat or just release gar with arrow holes in them. i have talked to several game wardens around the trinity river who have told me they are afraid for their safely to get on the river and check peoples boats(mainly bowfishermans), instead they do it at the ramps and people have time to discard illegal harvested fish by then.
when you kill one of these 7 foot fish that fish will never be replaced in your lifetime. i can guarantee that the 7 foot gar are getting more rare, even the guides who know what they are doing were fishing on top of each other this year when one of them found large gar.

[img]https://scontent-mia1-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...amp;oe=58B79AB3[/img]
as long as people are doing this^^^^ I'm going to fight for the protection of alligator gar in the state of Texas. that is 200 years of alligator gar growth killed for pics and bragging rights and was thrown in a field to rot after the pics.
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#11952065 - 11/26/16 09:09 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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I agree that the limit does no good if people high grade i.e. toss the smaller dead fish back in the water because they shot a bigger one.

Yeah, that photo is probably excessive take.
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#11952185 - 11/26/16 11:37 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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I do not loose sleep about dead gar...but I was taught growing up that God gave man dominion over all the fish and animals. But I was also taught at an early age that I would only kill(purposely) what I was going to eat. Just my beliefs and I live in the USA where each can have their own beliefs. If you thought the Alligator Gar was becoming rare you should have been on Falcon the last few years. :-)


Edited by 361V (11/27/16 08:36 AM)
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#11952495 - 11/26/16 05:30 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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Good thread. thumb
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#11952567 - 11/26/16 06:36 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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Gar hold a special place in my heart because of the many nights I set on the banks of the Trinity with my dad fishing for gar. This was back in the early 70's and I thought they were cool fish even way back then. Killing one just for sport makes zero sense to me.

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#11952744 - 11/26/16 09:01 PM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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We need someone to go down to Choke Canyon and shoot several thousand needlenose gar. I won't lose any sleep over a dead alligator gar either though.

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#11953070 - 11/27/16 09:14 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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killing an animal that is NOT an invasive species just for fun, compensating for a small ....

I have no prob shooting carp. Exterminate wild pigs all you want. But killing animals purely for sport........... is a douchebag pursuit IMO

feel free to eat it and I am fine with it.

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#11953074 - 11/27/16 09:16 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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If you kill it on purpose you oughta eat it. Otherwise, why did you kill it? You may exclude the obvious.
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#11953211 - 11/27/16 10:44 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: jippedgenes]
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Originally Posted By: jippedgenes
killing an animal that is NOT an invasive species just for fun, compensating for a small ....

I have no prob shooting carp. Exterminate wild pigs all you want. But killing animals purely for sport........... is a douchebag pursuit IMO

feel free to eat it and I am fine with it.


The irony in your post is strong. "You can kill things if I don't like them, but if I like them, then don't kill them". hmmm

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#11956253 - 11/29/16 07:09 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Originally Posted By: jippedgenes
killing an animal that is NOT an invasive species just for fun, compensating for a small ....

I have no prob shooting carp. Exterminate wild pigs all you want. But killing animals purely for sport........... is a douchebag pursuit IMO

feel free to eat it and I am fine with it.


The irony in your post is strong. "You can kill things if I don't like them, but if I like them, then don't kill them". hmmm


Jest thinking out loud...but I believe the point here is not kill or not kill, it is kill for management not for sport alone.

Killing pests because they are pests, damaging the environment, spreading disease, destroying crops or property, is not the same thing as killing a non-pest species strictly for the thrill of the kill.

Bass fishermen and others need to understand that keystone predators like alligator gar are a necessary and contributory species. Especially the larger ones that utilize carp, large gizzard shad, large tilapia, large sunfish, etc. for prey provide the service of stimulating the production of smaller prey for the bass and other smaller predators by removing some of the overabundance of large (unavailable to the bass due to size) prey animals.

Fisheries lacking such keystone predators tend to become unbalanced with large prey and small predators (like a pond with big bluegills and small bass).

As the fishery for large gar specimens grows and becomes more popular, more cash generating for the economy and a more important aspect of the overall fishery in many places, the larger individuals should come under extreme protection and not be rapidly killed off, being slow to replace.

This also applies to fisheries like the one for large common carp in Austin. Protect the fishery that stimulates the economy.

Believe it or not, there is more than largemouth bass to fish for and some folks see the largemouth bass as a stupid brute easily fooled onto a hook by the rankest of amateurs. Wherein it takes true finesse and skill to entice and land an animal like a carp or a gar.

So I s'pose, in the end, irony does indeed rule the day.
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#11956353 - 11/29/16 08:03 AM Re: My Thoughts On Bowfishing And The Conservation Of Alligator Gar [Re: SharkBaitTV]
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How many more laws do you want for gar, they already have a special season and 1 per day limit on most lakes. Maybe you can get them on the endangered species list? If you want them conserved then you need to talk to your gamewarden.

I don't think you're going to change any of the poachers ways, unless you turn them in for law breaking.

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