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#11916789 - 11/04/16 11:19 AM Need Real world MPG's...thanks!
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Not sure if this is the right forum, but i have a question. What are you guys with V8's getting in real world fuel economy in your V8 crew cabs???

I started a new career and need to down size my truck to save on fuel costs and more affordable truck. I don't have a preference over Ford/Chevy/Dodge. To me a truck is a truck i'm not a huge "car" guy. I am wanting a crew cab with 4x4, that can get 20 or better MPG's as i drive 0ver 75 miles per day for work. I am only buying used under $30k up to 75k miles. I drove the 3.5 ecoboost's they are getting 19-20mpg, my boss has a GMC and gets over 20mpg's in his sierra but it is a 2wd. I also hear the 1500 Dodges with 5.7 Hemi and 8 speed show to get 20's on the highway. I tow a 20' basscat and a 32' bumper pull but not concerned about towing MPG's just daily driving MPG's.

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#11918103 - 11/05/16 09:03 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2012 Chevy 5.7 Vortec. Last trip to Nevada, drove 2757 miles, burned 147 gallons of gas. 18.76 mpg. That was at 75 to 80 mph. No trailer. Averaged just over 20 mpg on flat lands, 18 in the hills and mountains. AC running.
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#11920844 - 11/07/16 07:54 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Not a V8 but you did post 3.5 ecoboost.
A 2.7 ecoboost should get you mid 20's fuel efficiency while being able to pull your boat. They are impressive. There are some 2015's used under 30k.

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#11921003 - 11/07/16 09:19 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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If you want a real world 20 plus mpg average out of a full size 4 door 4WD truck I think you really only have about 2 options and they are a 2.7 ecoboost and a 3.0 ecodiesel. Both can be had used in your price range.

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#11921392 - 11/07/16 12:13 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Have you checked the Fuelly website? I would normally say do not buy a diesel for MPG alone because the payback is a ways out there but in your case with the miles you drive and stuff you tow it might make sense.
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#11921464 - 11/07/16 12:38 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
If you want a real world 20 plus mpg average out of a full size 4 door 4WD truck I think you really only have about 2 options and they are a 2.7 ecoboost and a 3.0 ecodiesel. Both can be had used in your price range.

Agreed.

If you look hard and don't mind skipping a few options, the ED can be had new at the top end of your budget.
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#11921610 - 11/07/16 02:05 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: ChuChu1]
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Originally Posted By: ChuChu1
2012 Chevy 5.7 Vortec. Last trip to Nevada, drove 2757 miles, burned 147 gallons of gas. 18.76 mpg. That was at 75 to 80 mph. No trailer. Averaged just over 20 mpg on flat lands, 18 in the hills and mountains. AC running.



I think you mean 5.3 vortec. I believe the last year of the 5.7 was 99.
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#11922072 - 11/07/16 06:25 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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My dad really likes his 3.5 ecoboost. I know you already mentioned it, but he really enjoys his. He gets over 20 on the highway, right around 21 I believe. He commutes a lot, so mpgs were important. Its 4x4. And man, for a little engine, that thing puts out some power. Tows my boat without even thinking about it. It's pretty zippy too. Guess the twin turbos help with that. My 2 cents
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#11922095 - 11/07/16 06:33 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Ambassador84]
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Originally Posted By: Ambassador84
Originally Posted By: ChuChu1
2012 Chevy 5.7 Vortec. Last trip to Nevada, drove 2757 miles, burned 147 gallons of gas. 18.76 mpg. That was at 75 to 80 mph. No trailer. Averaged just over 20 mpg on flat lands, 18 in the hills and mountains. AC running.



I think you mean 5.3 vortec. I believe the last year of the 5.7 was 99.


Yep, guess I had 7 on my mind.
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#11943019 - 11/20/16 11:30 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Hard to pin a number down that would be correct , but my thoughts are if it does what you want it to then that number is good .

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#11946963 - 11/22/16 05:41 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Pulled an auto transport trailer to Houston yesterday and pulled it back with a jeep on it. 301.6 miles, 21.9 gallons equals 13.77 mpg. 2012 Chevy 5.3 rear wheel drive. Trip to Houston I could use overdrive, trip back was in 5th gear.
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#11960097 - 12/01/16 10:13 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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So did you buy something? What was your pick? Are you happy with it?

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#11963739 - 12/03/16 07:13 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I just bought a 2016 Ford F-150 XLT with the 2.7 Exoboost. Drove 200 miles to Lake Fork last night and got 22.7 MPG with driving 75-80 on the interstate and 60-70 on the state highways. Driving 80 on the interstate it was holding at about 21.6. Mine is the extended cab Sport Package model and I got it for $28,300 on their Blac Friday Sale in College Station. Sticker was $41,000. Bought a Leer cap for it and hope to have it by Christmas. Love it so far!
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#11963792 - 12/03/16 08:03 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I'm surprised the 2.7 are that inexpensive. You got a good deal. Let us know what your mileage is when you pull with it.

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#11971401 - 12/07/16 11:59 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#11972846 - 12/08/16 07:30 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2015 Ram 2500, 3.73 rear end, 6.4 L, 15-17 driving 65, around 8-9 pulling 10k travel trailer.

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#11974728 - 12/09/16 07:57 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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16 3.5 ecoboost 4x4 screw
21 highway
18-19 average
11 +- 1 towing 22ft center console
10 +- 1 towing 27ft camper


Edited by Ambassador84 (12/09/16 07:58 AM)
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#11982508 - 12/13/16 04:06 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Ambassador84]
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so many factors involved that will increase/decrease your mpg:

1. tire pressure
2. wet roads
3. hilly vs flat; even if you end up at the same elevation you started at, you will get much better mileage if the roads are flat vs hilly on your way to your destination
4. wind!! maybe the biggest factor
5. speed; as others have said, most get pretty good mpg at 60, not so much at 80
6. rear end ratio; another big item

I have a new 3.5 ecoboost f-150; my mpg goes from about 20.5 @60 (not towing) down to about 17.5 @80, and most vehicles are going to show a similar drop in mpg.

I think the best is the 2.7 ecoboost f-150, but all the manufacturers make a great vehicle. find something you really like, and that's the one.

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#11994050 - 12/19/16 08:20 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2015 Toyota Tundra 4x4 crew max. 5.7 v8. Towing a heavy tourney loaded boat 80% of the time. Average around 13.4mph. Average speed around 75mph.

Kinda sick....but man does it haul a boat well. Very easy to drive with a trailer behind it.
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#11994599 - 12/20/16 08:18 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#11995265 - 12/20/16 02:41 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2005 f-150 5.4, 15-16 highway and maybe 17 if I really really baby it. Anywhere from 10-13 towing. Usually get about 10-11 with the boat and maybe 13 with a UTV in tow. Probably 14 city.
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#11999723 - 12/23/16 04:40 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2011 GMC 1500 Sierra, 6.2L, 3.73 gears. Best on the highway - no boat - 18mpg (babying). City - no boat -13.5. Towing the 203 Champion - 11mpg. The mileage ain't great, but Boy, is this thing fun (403 HP) Still some "Kid" left in this old guy,LOL

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#11999726 - 12/23/16 04:47 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2011 GMC 1500 Sierra, 6.2L, 3.73 gears. Best on the highway - no boat - 18mpg (babying). City - no boat -13.5. Towing the 203 Champion - 11mpg. The mileage ain't great, but Boy, is this thing fun (403 HP) Still some "Kid" left in this old guy,LOL

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#12002218 - 12/24/16 07:51 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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first off theyre are two things men will lie about ----bootie and gas mileage --
i find it humorous that a lot of people have a 60k boat financed for 12 yrs -and a 60k truck financed for 6 years and they are concerned with the difference in 14 mpg and 16 mpg @ 2.00 a gallon its just not really that big of deal --- when im on the way to fish i have got my foot shoved through the firewall to get there !

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#12002229 - 12/24/16 07:55 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: kevine80]
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Originally Posted By: kevine80
first off theyre are two things men will lie about ----bootie and gas mileage --
i find it humorous that a lot of people have a 60k boat financed for 12 yrs -and a 60k truck financed for 6 years and they are concerned with the difference in 14 mpg and 16 mpg @ 2.00 a gallon its just not really that big of deal --- when im on the way to fish i have got my foot shoved through the firewall to get there !

hmmm popcorn
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#12002292 - 12/24/16 08:45 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: kevine80]
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Originally Posted By: kevine80
first off theyre are two things men will lie about ----bootie and gas mileage --
i find it humorous that a lot of people have a 60k boat financed for 12 yrs -and a 60k truck financed for 6 years and they are concerned with the difference in 14 mpg and 16 mpg @ 2.00 a gallon its just not really that big of deal --- when im on the way to fish i have got my foot shoved through the firewall to get there !
I have a $5k boat and just traded my 12 year old truck and $15k commuter car in on a new $30k truck. Mpg is a major factor in cost of usage if it goes back up to $3 or $4 or higher. If it stays low then great. But I don't want to go back to spending $750 a month in gas if it does go back up to $4. My truck is getting 27 mpg now so I don't worry about gas costs as much.
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#12002324 - 12/24/16 09:00 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: patriot07]
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so if gas was 4.00 a gallon --and you spent 750.00 a month on it --750.00 divided by 4.00 = 187.5 gallons per month

187.5 gallons x 27 mpg = 5062.5 driven per month

5062.5 miles driven per month = 60,750 per year

at that rate i fully understand your concern

congratulations on debt free pursuit of fishing --nothing fishes better than a paid for boat !

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#12002884 - 12/25/16 09:59 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: kevine80]
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Originally Posted By: kevine80
so if gas was 4.00 a gallon --and you spent 750.00 a month on it --750.00 divided by 4.00 = 187.5 gallons per month

187.5 gallons x 27 mpg = 5062.5 driven per month

5062.5 miles driven per month = 60,750 per year

at that rate i fully understand your concern

congratulations on debt free pursuit of fishing --nothing fishes better than a paid for boat !



Seems you are co mingling three different vehicles. Two old ones that burned all the gas and one new one that gets 27 mpg.
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#12004446 - 12/26/16 02:58 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: kevine80]
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Originally Posted By: kevine80
so if gas was 4.00 a gallon --and you spent 750.00 a month on it --750.00 divided by 4.00 = 187.5 gallons per month

187.5 gallons x 27 mpg = 5062.5 driven per month

5062.5 miles driven per month = 60,750 per year

at that rate i fully understand your concern

congratulations on debt free pursuit of fishing --nothing fishes better than a paid for boat !
My old truck got 15 mpg. Between my wife and I, we spent $750 a month in gas. 2,000 miles a month for me and 1,000 for my wife. I got the commuter car (35 mpg) and it moved to 2,500 in my car and 500 in hers because I took the commuter car on all family outings instead of her car. Minima miles on the truck at that point.

We decided as a family that we wanted to get a bumper pull trailer for vacations. So I needed something that could tow a 7,500 lb trailer and the 27 mpg Ecodiesel is the most efficient option for that. My old truck was a dog when it came to towing. I didn't want something with high mileage because I don't have time to spend repairing vehicles. Lightly used trucks right now are basically the same price as new, so I just hit the bullet and got a new one. Right now, the gas costs aren't enormously different. If gas goes up, I won't be hating myself for having a $750 monthly fuel bill.
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#12080736 - 02/06/17 07:15 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12117085 - 02/28/17 05:09 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12117897 - 03/01/17 05:46 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: kevine80]
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Originally Posted By: kevine80
first off theyre are two things men will lie about ----bootie and gas mileage --
i find it humorous that a lot of people have a 60k boat financed for 12 yrs -and a 60k truck financed for 6 years and they are concerned with the difference in 14 mpg and 16 mpg @ 2.00 a gallon its just not really that big of deal --- when im on the way to fish i have got my foot shoved through the firewall to get there !
hopefully it stays in the $2s for a while. Looking at full size trucks again after driving mid size since 2004. Tundra is first choice but I have to consider MPGs. Like the GM 6.2 just not sure I want LTZ. Even looking at Titan +3 on hwy versus Tundra. If I knew that gas was staying low then choice would be easier. If thought that was true I probably would not own stock in Chevron.
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#12117924 - 03/01/17 06:29 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Stump jumper]
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Originally Posted By: Stump jumper
Originally Posted By: kevine80
first off theyre are two things men will lie about ----bootie and gas mileage --
i find it humorous that a lot of people have a 60k boat financed for 12 yrs -and a 60k truck financed for 6 years and they are concerned with the difference in 14 mpg and 16 mpg @ 2.00 a gallon its just not really that big of deal --- when im on the way to fish i have got my foot shoved through the firewall to get there !
hopefully it stays in the $2s for a while. Looking at full size trucks again after driving mid size since 2004. Tundra is first choice but I have to consider MPGs. Like the GM 6.2 just not sure I want LTZ. Even looking at Titan +3 on hwy versus Tundra. If I knew that gas was staying low then choice would be easier. If thought that was true I probably would not own stock in Chevron.
If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.

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#12118206 - 03/01/17 09:13 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: gander]
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If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.


Interested to see what they have coming. I heard they were working on a diesel option but they let it go because they weren't happy enough with the emissions systems reliability or something.

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#12118536 - 03/01/17 11:23 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: gander
If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.


Interested to see what they have coming. I heard they were working on a diesel option but they let it go because they weren't happy enough with the emissions systems reliability or something.
yep, that and the fact that our refineries are only set up to produce x amount of diesel. I am waiting at least until the 2018s come out. I do not think Toyota has any major changes planned until 2020. By then my current truck will have 150k on it. I prefer to sell a little lower mileage. Right now Gen2 Tacomas are hot items but it may not last forever.
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#12119179 - 03/01/17 04:51 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: gander
If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.


Interested to see what they have coming. I heard they were working on a diesel option but they let it go because they weren't happy enough with the emissions systems reliability or something.
I have heard the are not going with the diesel because of the price point they will be at and the supposed emission changing mandates.Who knows.

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#12119183 - 03/01/17 04:54 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Stump jumper]
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Originally Posted By: Stump jumper
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: gander
If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.


Interested to see what they have coming. I heard they were working on a diesel option but they let it go because they weren't happy enough with the emissions systems reliability or something.
yep, that and the fact that our refineries are only set up to produce x amount of diesel. I am waiting at least until the 2018s come out. I do not think Toyota has any major changes planned until 2020. By then my current truck will have 150k on it. I prefer to sell a little lower mileage. Right now Gen2 Tacomas are hot items but it may not last forever.
One owner Tacoma well maintained,doubt few extra miles will drop value much if a second gen...I am hearing a major redo for the 2019...but will have to see

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#12119543 - 03/01/17 09:14 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: gander]
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Originally Posted By: gander
Originally Posted By: Stump jumper
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: gander
If you are thinking Tundra you might wait for the updated truck.Supposedly will have an 8 or 10 seed tranny with different engine options aimed at mpgs.


Interested to see what they have coming. I heard they were working on a diesel option but they let it go because they weren't happy enough with the emissions systems reliability or something.
yep, that and the fact that our refineries are only set up to produce x amount of diesel. I am waiting at least until the 2018s come out. I do not think Toyota has any major changes planned until 2020. By then my current truck will have 150k on it. I prefer to sell a little lower mileage. Right now Gen2 Tacomas are hot items but it may not last forever.
One owner Tacoma well maintained,doubt few extra miles will drop value much if a second gen...I am hearing a major redo for the 2019...but will have to see
maybe we will see. Watched a video on the 2018 today. Wrote an email to Toyota sales manager. Said new grill and fake hood scoop and still 17 mpg on hwy got to be kidding. Toyota is not committed to trucks. Also told him I would not touch a Gen3 Tacoma with a 10' pole.
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#12148643 - 03/19/17 10:40 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12148887 - 03/20/17 08:18 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Big pig, that's pretty good, but what was the driving like? I assume mostly highway.

My uncle just bought a brand new 3500 dually with the HO 6.7 cummins crew cab auto(the biggest one) with 4.10 gears. He put an aluminum flat bed on it and said his best tank so far is 14 and change, but he only has 5,000 miles on it.

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#12150246 - 03/20/17 09:19 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Big pig, that's pretty good, but what was the driving like? I assume mostly highway.

My uncle just bought a brand new 3500 dually with the HO 6.7 cummins crew cab auto(the biggest one) with 4.10 gears. He put an aluminum flat bed on it and said his best tank so far is 14 and change, but he only has 5,000 miles on it.


Avg MPH is 37. That was a good combo of mixed city/hwy. never over 80mph

Your uncle is suffering because it's new, and because of the 4:10 & Aisin trans. He will likely see 16-17 as the max. I have the 3:42 gears, it does everything I need it to do just perfect

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Did a down and back to Houston today, 75-80mph, averaged 22.5mpg with avg speed of 68mph

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#12159404 - 03/26/17 10:05 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Just got a 17 RAM 1/2 ton 4x4 Hemi 1st fill at 100 miles just to verify onboard computer, most all highway 60-65 mph 23.1 mpg fingers crossed and hope it increases with break in, very pleased all around so far.
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#12159545 - 03/26/17 11:59 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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Just got a 17 RAM 1/2 ton 4x4 Hemi 1st fill at 100 miles just to verify onboard computer, most all highway 60-65 mph 23.1 mpg fingers crossed and hope it increases with break in, very pleased all around so far.
What transmission and rear axle do you have? That's almost too good to be true. But filling up at 100 miles leaves a lot of uncertainty. It it under-fills by much at all, your mpg can vary wildly with such a small amount driven.
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#12159874 - 03/27/17 09:28 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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2 weeks of commuting, one trip to the lake with the boat, and a day using it to position and reposition a man lift around the in-laws house while painting it.

619 miles on one tank

23.2 gallons to fill

26.68 mpg hand calculated.

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#12161071 - 03/27/17 08:04 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: patriot07]
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Just got a 17 RAM 1/2 ton 4x4 Hemi 1st fill at 100 miles just to verify onboard computer, most all highway 60-65 mph 23.1 mpg fingers crossed and hope it increases with break in, very pleased all around so far.
What transmission and rear axle do you have? That's almost too good to be true. But filling up at 100 miles leaves a lot of uncertainty. It it under-fills by much at all, your mpg can vary wildly with such a small amount driven.


3:21 gears 8 speed tranny 1st trip today with boat to lake and back 14.1 it pulled it well 20' CC. I sure hope it does even better I do not drive fast. Understand totally on short trip fill but had to!
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#12161373 - 03/27/17 10:18 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Those are some great numbers. Can't blame you for being excited!
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#12161618 - 03/28/17 07:43 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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Just got a 17 RAM 1/2 ton 4x4 Hemi 1st fill at 100 miles just to verify onboard computer, most all highway 60-65 mph 23.1 mpg fingers crossed and hope it increases with break in, very pleased all around so far.
What transmission and rear axle do you have? That's almost too good to be true. But filling up at 100 miles leaves a lot of uncertainty. It it under-fills by much at all, your mpg can vary wildly with such a small amount driven.


3:21 gears 8 speed tranny 1st trip today with boat to lake and back 14.1 it pulled it well 20' CC. I sure hope it does even better I do not drive fast. Understand totally on short trip fill but had to!


I find it really hard to believe till you say that. If you mind your speed and maybe more importantly acceleration, have favorable wind and topography you can coax some very impressive fuel mileage out of them.

A few years ago we commuted back and forth from my home in San Antonio to Choke Canyon for 3 or 4 days pulling a 20 foot center console with a 2011 chevy 1500 5.3. I traveled top speed 60-65 and was easy on the gas. One tank had a lot of idle because we were waiting out some rain and averaged over 14 mpg the other was ever so slightly over 15 mpg all with the boat. I did get passed a lot.

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#12163060 - 03/28/17 08:03 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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here is from today's trip to Dallas, it is just getting better

5.7 Hemi 17 Dodge 4x4
just 196 miles on it
it pulled my CC boat great but I can tell a big difference from my Ford Super Duty 4x4 diesel


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#12163713 - 03/29/17 07:47 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Nice! Does the hemi use regular unleaded or 89+ octane?
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#12164956 - 03/29/17 08:57 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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87 I think the book said I was filled by dealer when new with that, another 105 miles today same mileage
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#12186774 - 04/06/17 03:39 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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OK, for what it is worth, without being verbose...

I just went through the same sort of thing a few years ago. If I buy a used Diesel, for around 20K, that I want to daily drive and tow with (6000 lb enclosed trailer for hundreds of miles) what do I want?

Fortunately for me, I have a good friend that knows more about Diesel engines and Diesel vehicles than everyone on this thread combined, including me. He designs them for a living and has been doing it for a very long time. We had a long discussion about the pros and cons of all the different options, who made what, V8 vs I-6, DPF, Urea, oil change intervals, fuel rail design, etc. etc.

Final answer? 2006 Dodge Diesel 2500, which is what I bought, and am very happy with.
Why? I-6 is the best layout for a turbo Diesel for technical reasons I won't get into. The Cummins I-6 5.9L 24-valve turbodiesel is a GREAT engine, arguably one of the best. It only comes in a 2500 and up so that meant 2500 or 3500. 2006 was the last year that engine was made without DPF, which brought a big hit on mileage.

How does it tow? GREAT. Towing a bass boat at 70 mph I get about 15 mpg, and it pulls it like its not even there, set the cruise and go. Normal daily driving, mostly highway, I get 21-23 mpg. Before anyone asks, this is hand calculated mileage, not using the truck computer which is notoriously optimistic on its mileage estimate. Many call it the lie-ometer. It's a small negative. I bought it used with 73K miles on it, and now has ~130K miles on it. Still loving it.

Main thing I don't like about it? Dodge cabs compared to the competition, especially Toyota (I have a first-gen Tundra I bought new), are meh. Not great, but they work. I have the normal 4 door with the regular length bed, not the Mega Cab with the shortened bed.


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#12186791 - 04/06/17 03:53 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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They put out some 2007's with the 5.9L.

Auto or manual? If its stock your fuel mileage is on the optimistic side, not unachievable but not set the cruise on 70 and go either.

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#12186792 - 04/06/17 03:53 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I've got a buddy with the 2005 Cummins 2500, and his experience mirrors yours. Good towing mpg and daily driving mpg. Bulletproof reliable. But the rest of the truck Dodge put around that motor 12 years ago is falling apart.
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Yes there were some 2007 non-DPFs IIRC. I found this one at a good price and jumped on it.

If I drive with a heavy foot the non towing mileage drops to 18-19 MPG. Towing the big trailer it gets 12-13MPG. The Tundra in the same conditions gets 17-18 MPG commuting, and 7 MPG towing the same big trailer at 60-65mph.


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#12203650 - 04/17/17 06:00 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Bought a brand new 2017 GMC Sierra SLE with the Elevation package a couple of weeks ago. I installed a 2.5" levelling kit up front and added Rockstar wheels with 285/55/20 Toyo all terrain tires.
So far after about 300 miles I'm averaging 16-16.5 mpg doing about 60% city (stop and go, stop signs and stoplights) and 40% highway driving (about 70 mph).

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#12229458 - 05/03/17 05:43 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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high way no towing 23.5 avg I have got better with no wind
very pleased so far with truck, the ride is excellent
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#12232499 - 05/05/17 11:31 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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2017 Ram 5.7 2000 miles 4x4 1500

towing CC boat 14.5 avg
in town driving (rural) 18.9 avg
high way no towing 23.5 avg I have got better with no wind
very pleased so far with truck, the ride is excellent


What is the longest trip/# of miles you have calculated on? Have you run an whole tank and calculated the average on that?

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#12232719 - 05/05/17 01:20 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I have 2 trip meters A & B never reset B.
2000+ miles now and avg 20.2 on B
Longest trip 330 at 23.2 mpg
Pulling CC boat last trip 14.5
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#12232732 - 05/05/17 01:22 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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I have 2 trip meters A & B never reset B.
2000+ miles now and avg 20.2 on B
Longest trip 330 at 23.2 mpg
Pulling CC boat last trip 14.5


S0 the fuel mileage numbers your reporting are what the trip computer says and not miles driven divided by gallons to fill at the pump?

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#12233113 - 05/05/17 05:34 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I do both every time they are about .2 to.3 different really very close, every since day 1 always check it both ways.
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#12235577 - 05/07/17 10:38 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Mileage update with 17 Ram, never ran a full tank as I always keep it 1/2 or more if possible to do so just me there, filled up Sat pm city and hiway with no towing, 210 miles checked both ways computer and hand calculator
computer 23.1 calculator 22.6
Will have multiple towing trips this week so it will fall some unless I take my Ford 250 diesel 4x4 which I will on 1 of them for sure just to drive it.
I do not drive fast usually a few under speed limits, my roads here are not all paved I travel. Just to town and home is 50% paved.
Mileage seems to be improving some with more miles on new truck.
I am glad I did not get the V6 now.
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#12264155 - 05/26/17 10:42 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Over 3000 miles on the 17 Ram and MPG figured by hand and truck computer is very close, 22+ mpg overall on it, if it was not for all the boat towing it would be better. 14.5 towing last 4-5 trips in last 2 weeks
I am very pleased with the truck all but the "NO KEY" and the cost of a replacement.
Just the metal replacement door/tailgate key was priced $22 & $42 at the dealer by 2 different people. Ace hardware did it for $2.12.
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#12264423 - 05/26/17 01:12 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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How fast do you tow?

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#12265574 - 05/27/17 11:05 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12275130 - 06/02/17 10:37 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12275157 - 06/02/17 10:45 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I just did a 3000 mile trip to Nevada and back. 2012 Silverado not towing, avg. 19.58 mpg
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Towed 5000 lb boat to coast last weekend. Headed south into a 25+ mile per hour head wind cruise set on 65 13.8 mpg. In town driving for 3 days with boat and 1/2 way home 65 mph with the cruise control on 15.1 mpg. Second half of the way home no cruise control 60 mph 17.8 mpg.

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#12282607 - 06/07/17 08:30 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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17Ram still the same over 20 combined all the time without towing, mid 20's on highway, very pleased with truck except wish it had a real key ! I will be hooking up boat again today for tomorrow's trip.
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#12305456 - 06/21/17 07:52 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Update 5000+ miles city, rural, hiway & avg 3 trips a week towing a boat or trailer.
21.9 total on the 17 Ram 5.7 hemi 2/10th difference in computer and hand calculated
My only negative is I wish it had a metal key.
Overll better than expected with a 4x4


Edited by lenahorse (06/21/17 08:03 PM)
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5800 miles on the Ram since new combined mileage 22.6, towing, rural, highway and city. The last 225 showed just about the same both hand figured and computer which are very close less then .5 with the computer being better.
Overall I am pleased with the truck other than no real key. It does pull trailers very well.
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#12324632 - 07/05/17 09:38 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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5800 miles on the Ram since new combined mileage 22.6, towing, rural, highway and city. The last 225 showed just about the same both hand figured and computer which are very close less then .5 with the computer being better.
Overall I am pleased with the truck other than no real key. It does pull trailers very well.


Not sure if all Rams are the same or not, I would suspect they are. My 2015 and I know the 2016 also only keep a running average of the most recent 200 miles no matter when you clear the trip odometers.

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#12324927 - 07/05/17 12:36 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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How about 10. I need a bigger truck with a much bigger gas tank. 21 gallon tank does not cut it on a 350 mile drive. I was running 70-75 most of the time. I know if I cut it back to 60 the mpgs would be much better. A bigger truck is in my short term plans. I do not normally get on the interstate too much with boat and Texoma is a long haul for me.
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#12326430 - 07/06/17 08:56 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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he past have a trailer tire blow several times I do not drive fast hauling any more also not towing, about 14 + - towing my CC boat, I have 2 trip meters A & B that show mileage B has never been reset from new and give an estimate of all my miles driven I always figure both ways and usually can predict how much fuel I burn very closely. Yesterdays trip I drove my old 4x4 F250 and yes it does haul better with 13 mpg loaded or not. I have avg over 20 for all miles in my RAM since new based on total fuel used. I am very pleased with it except no real key!
I do drive a lot of miles and very conservatively.
I am not a fast driver, also where I live most of the roads are not paved anyway.
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#12394635 - 08/21/17 10:37 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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7600 on my 17 ram now real mileage both hand figured and truck computer is averaging close to 22 both ways highway better than that but figured with in town here at home and hi way, towing CC boat is 14 usually with no problems at all. The truck has plenty of power and rides great.
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#12394877 - 08/21/17 12:58 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Nice lenahorse!

Just finished a road trip to Waco and back in my Ecodiesel. Averaged 33.2 mpg on the trip computer. Trip computer for the entire tank (including a bunch of commuting and errands) ended at 31.2 mpg. Hand-calculated mpg on the tank when I filled up this morning was 30.7 mpg. Pretty silly for a half ton truck that can tow a travel trailer also.
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#12394961 - 08/21/17 01:49 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Went to LA 2 weekends ago. Just the wife and myself luggage and a 125 quart yeti. 85 miles per hour to LA and back 25 mpg.

Went to choke this weekend 100% towing 15.8 mpg at 70 mph.

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#12428216 - 09/15/17 08:58 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Well 1 more for the thread my 17 hemi 4x4 Ram now has 9000 miles it is by hand figures and also computer check which are about 1 mile apart, combined mileage hi way, dirt roads and in town 21.8 to 22.3, towing 20' CC boat loaded is 14.5-15 with tow haul on, no problems at all with truck. total hiway 23+. All the power I need and good ride, very pleased with truck.
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#12429558 - 09/16/17 11:24 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: lenahorse]
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Well 1 more for the thread my 17 hemi 4x4 Ram now has 9000 miles it is by hand figures and also computer check which are about 1 mile apart, combined mileage hi way, dirt roads and in town 21.8 to 22.3, towing 20' CC boat loaded is 14.5-15 with tow haul on, no problems at all with truck. total hiway 23+. All the power I need and good ride, very pleased with truck.
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These Rams seem to be head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the market in fuel efficiency.
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#12429755 - 09/17/17 08:11 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Its been awhile but 2500 Dodge Cummins on a long trip to Alabama. 767 miles before I put diesel in it and a little under 24 mpg. That was driving to Saraland, picking up an outboard and then driving back along the coast and filling up somewhere north of New Orleans.
Driving the boat on the highway has always been right around 17. I can do 18 if I kept it around 65. The boat is light, around 2200 pounds on the trailer.


A customer just got back from a 6000 mile trip pulling his 8800 pound travel trailer from here to Oregon. It was a three week vacation. When I asked if he got around 8 mpg towing he said no, he got 13 to 14. Obviously did not know or care to check. That was a 5.7 Ram.


Do the new Ecodiesels all sell at a premium now? I looked and a decently equipped truck 4 wheel drive runs close to 50 grand and some go well above that, or am I missing something. I paid 26.7 for my 2000 but all trucks were cheaper back then.



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#12431321 - 09/18/17 11:01 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12518520 - 11/27/17 09:40 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Update on 17 Ram 4x4 hemi mileage both hand and computer computed avg of both
towing CC boat speed limits 13.7 both city and highway
all highway no towing 22.7 -- did better with cruise control on high 23's
combined in town roads here and high way no towing speed limits, 21.7

No problems at all with truck. 12000+ miles now, one of the best riding trucks I have ever been in. 4x4 good also.

I got stuck in a DRY flat pasture on hay straw and took 4x4 high to get out! That straw was slick!
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#12521516 - 11/30/17 01:57 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12542291 - 12/18/17 11:01 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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14000 update avg since new almost 21mpg total with 17 Ram, no issues at all so far, my last figures are still close to correct.
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#12574114 - 01/11/18 02:24 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph

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#12574188 - 01/11/18 03:07 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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My numbers are still correct I do pull slower than you do
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#12574801 - 01/11/18 09:16 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Wish I could get that kind of mileage. This is my third ram first was a 13 all 4x4 5.7 hemi , 15 and this 17 none have seen that mileage my wifeís 15 has never gotten what your getting. Maybe we should slow down, might get hit From behind though. Do you run non Ethanol? I do get a little better when Iím able to get it

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#12575084 - 01/12/18 07:58 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: James P.]
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Originally Posted By: James P.
I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph


Thank you for your honesty.
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#12575093 - 01/12/18 08:03 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: James P.]
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Wish I could get that kind of mileage. This is my third ram first was a 13 all 4x4 5.7 hemi , 15 and this 17 none have seen that mileage my wife’s 15 has never gotten what your getting. Maybe we should slow down, might get hit From behind though. Do you run non Ethanol? I do get a little better when I’m able to get it
Good night. What rear end do you have? That seems to make a huge difference since Ram offers such a wide variety with the Hemi motor.

I assume you have the Hemi 5.7L?
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#12575174 - 01/12/18 08:46 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Yes itís a Hemi 5.7L Rebel. Not sure what rear end gears I have pulls good but mileage totally suxs.


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#12575264 - 01/12/18 09:47 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Chris B]
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Originally Posted By: James P.
I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph


Thank you for your honesty.


If people would post a video including what they are towing and where then point the camera at the instrument cluster for the rest of the drive I think it would be very enlightening. Driving habits are a huge part of fuel economy. Ive never done over 5000 rpm in any vehicle I have owned. I know several people who see 5k several times a day. Naturally I get much better fuel mileage, my tires, transmission, and in general vehicle lasts longer too.

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#12575456 - 01/12/18 11:22 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I took a picture of my instrument cluster but wonít let me post it .

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#12575476 - 01/12/18 11:35 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Picture would do no good, it is static, video would show how your driving it. You ever look where the tach is when the transmission shifts? My guess is yours is quite high.

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#12575479 - 01/12/18 11:36 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: James P.]
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I took a picture of my instrument cluster but wonít let me post it .


If you took the picture with your phone then screen shot the picture and retry. For whatever reason iphones save pictures as a file format other than jpeg, but the screen shots are in a format that can be posted.

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#12575503 - 01/12/18 11:50 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I stated earlier I do not drive fast with or without a trailer. I just use reg unleaded from where I find it cheapest.
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#12575574 - 01/12/18 12:34 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: James P.]
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I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph
10k on Tundra. I get 9-10 pulling boat on hwy and my boat is bigger and heavier with more wind resistance. Empty in get right around 17 may be little higher depending on speed with warmer temps and summer blend. Right now I am getting low 16s running 70-75. Since I have been back in a full size V8 I have found that they really suck the gas when sitting still and accelerating.
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#12576184 - 01/12/18 08:39 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I donít floor my truck or drive it hard. My tach is normally hitting around 3500 to 4000 when Iím getting on Hwy. Think itís 2000 rpms at 70mph give or take a 100rpms.


Edited by James P. (01/14/18 07:56 AM)

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#12582054 - 01/16/18 08:22 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I'm sure you have the towing rear end. It's just nearly impossible to get good mpg when you're reducing speed that much before the wheels. Even with the 8-speed transmission, your top gear just isn't that good.

I have 3.55 in mine and with the tune, I'm now easily getting over 30 mpg on highway trips. Redchevy is the same way. Lenahorse has the 3.21 with his Hemi and is getting mid-20s. None of us can tow as much or as easily as you can though.
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#12582070 - 01/16/18 08:30 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Stump jumper]
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Originally Posted By: Stump jumper
Originally Posted By: James P.
I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph
10k on Tundra. I get 9-10 pulling boat on hwy and my boat is bigger and heavier with more wind resistance. Empty in get right around 17 may be little higher depending on speed with warmer temps and summer blend. Right now I am getting low 16s running 70-75. Since I have been back in a full size V8 I have found that they really suck the gas when sitting still and accelerating.
I must have different gears in my Tundra. It's a 2015 4x4 crew max with the 5.7. It averages right at 12.9-13 normal driving at legal posted speeds. Gets around 10.9-11 towing a 19ft Skeeter at legal speeds. Never, ever gets better than 14-15 mpg.
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#12582313 - 01/17/18 05:48 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: SteezMacQueen]
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Originally Posted By: Stump jumper
Originally Posted By: James P.
I have a 2017 ram 4x4 11000 miles so far. Havenít got over 15mpg yet, just got back from falcon pulling my buddies z21 average mpg 6.7 . I get 7.2 pulling my basscat cougar. Filled up 4 times in 500 miles . Thinking of trading it in for a Diesel my 15 ram got about the same. I do pull 70-75 mph
10k on Tundra. I get 9-10 pulling boat on hwy and my boat is bigger and heavier with more wind resistance. Empty in get right around 17 may be little higher depending on speed with warmer temps and summer blend. Right now I am getting low 16s running 70-75. Since I have been back in a full size V8 I have found that they really suck the gas when sitting still and accelerating.
I must have different gears in my Tundra. It's a 2015 4x4 crew max with the 5.7. It averages right at 12.9-13 normal driving at legal posted speeds. Gets around 10.9-11 towing a 19ft Skeeter at legal speeds. Never, ever gets better than 14-15 mpg.
same gears if you have tow package. Problem might be right foot. Also, depends a lot on traffic. Open hwy and mine is good but when I get in stop and go traffic it falls off quick. Do have larger tires and lift?
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#12584040 - 01/18/18 07:31 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Almost all Tundras with the 5.7 have the same 4.30 gears. If yours came factory with a hitch receiver and a place to plug in your trailer plug, then you have 4.30 gears. Great for towing, not so great for gas mileage.
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#12584179 - 01/18/18 08:57 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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For a long time I attributed the 5.7 tundras poor fuel mileage to the gear ratio, but a few years ago I compared the final drive ratio of every gear in a tundra to the current GM, ram, and ford offerings and there was not a big difference. The tundra 4.3 rear end is set up with higher rear ranges in the transmission so that in the end you wind up with a overall similar ratio to the competitors. In the end I think they have poor fuel economy because they are a 400 hp (or nearly) 4 valve per cylinder large (for the time period) displacement v-8. That engine is designed to burn fuel... and lots of it, that's how it makes its power. The others ram and gm with cylinder deactivation and ford with smaller displacement turbocharged engines give you a combination of power when you need it and economy when you don't. I would be interested to see a real world fuel economy test done with a Toyota 5.7, ford 5.0 and nisan 5.6. My bet is there wouldn't be a huge difference and at lighter loads the 5.0 would access due to smaller displacement but as you start stacking it on the 5.0 will join its buddies.

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#12584322 - 01/18/18 10:31 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Yeah I've never looked at the Toyota transmission ratios, but it did seem like my dad's Tundra was always running higher RPM than I thought it should.
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#12584527 - 01/18/18 12:45 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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For a long time I attributed the 5.7 tundras poor fuel mileage to the gear ratio, but a few years ago I compared the final drive ratio of every gear in a tundra to the current GM, ram, and ford offerings and there was not a big difference. The tundra 4.3 rear end is set up with higher rear ranges in the transmission so that in the end you wind up with a overall similar ratio to the competitors. In the end I think they have poor fuel economy because they are a 400 hp (or nearly) 4 valve per cylinder large (for the time period) displacement v-8. That engine is designed to burn fuel... and lots of it, that's how it makes its power. The others ram and gm with cylinder deactivation and ford with smaller displacement turbocharged engines give you a combination of power when you need it and economy when you don't. I would be interested to see a real world fuel economy test done with a Toyota 5.7, ford 5.0 and nisan 5.6. My bet is there wouldn't be a huge difference and at lighter loads the 5.0 would access due to smaller displacement but as you start stacking it on the 5.0 will join its buddies.
My brothers 5.0 does worse on the hwy than my Tundra. His lift is a little taller. From what I have read at HWY speeds of 75 or so they are all pretty much the same.
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#12589883 - 01/22/18 07:56 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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#12593780 - 01/24/18 01:20 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Here's my .02. If you want to have a general idea of fuel mileage for a particular vehicle and plan to use the web to get that information:

1. Find 100 reports of mileage by scouring all types of forums
2. Throw out the top 50- those are either liars or they are hypermiling big time to inflate the number to make themselves feel good.
3. Throw out the bottom 10- those people are liars and don't even own the vehicle and just want to bash on something.
4. Hope to get in the range of the remaining 40. These 40 will probably be within a few tenths of each other anyway.

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#12593838 - 01/24/18 02:06 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Driving habits are huge. Modifications have a large affect also. I cant tell you how many people buy a truck then put a lift bigger tires and 500 lbs of steps bumpers lights and radio equipment in them and then complain that they don't get the rated fuel mileage.

I'm not lying or hypermiling but my truck is far from a racecar and I don't try to treat it like one either. On second thought by todays standard maybe maintaining 65-70 mph is hypermiling I don't know.


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#12593859 - 01/24/18 02:28 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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My tuned ED has gotten 28.5 and 29.2 mpg on my two full tanks since installing the tune. Those tanks included a number of short trips and/or stop & go driving along with a bunch of 15-20 minute trips to work and back.

But like redchevy, I drive 65-70 mph on the highway and take it pretty easy around town.
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#12593867 - 01/24/18 02:34 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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maybe maintaining 65-70 mph is hypermiling I don't know.


Only if the speed limit is 75.

I have my average up to 13.4 mpg. Woohoo!

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#12593942 - 01/24/18 03:41 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Samsonsworld]
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maybe maintaining 65-70 mph is hypermiling I don't know.


Only if the speed limit is 75.

I have my average up to 13.4 mpg. Woohoo!


Lol most of my speed limit to work and back is 65 about 1/2 and 60 the other. Most anywhere else I go has a speed limit of 75. I rarely drive 75 mph, just no need to go that fast. When we drove to Louisiana last year I put the hammer down and still managed 25 mpg running 80-85 and that was before the tune.

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#12594811 - 01/25/18 08:00 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: dustman_stx]
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Originally Posted By: dustman_stx
Here's my .02. If you want to have a general idea of fuel mileage for a particular vehicle and plan to use the web to get that information:

1. Find 100 reports of mileage by scouring all types of forums
2. Throw out the top 50- those are either liars or they are hypermiling big time to inflate the number to make themselves feel good.
3. Throw out the bottom 10- those people are liars and don't even own the vehicle and just want to bash on something.
4. Hope to get in the range of the remaining 40. These 40 will probably be within a few tenths of each other anyway.


Check fuelly.

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#12596586 - 01/26/18 12:36 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Well I believe somewheres in this thread that I said my f350 (diesel) got 13.5 mpg wether I was pulling my trailer or empty. The last few tanks I have been getting 8-9mpg pulling the trailer and 11-12 without the trailer.
Has anyone experienced a loss in fuel mileage with the winter blend fuels or is my truck just trying to send me to the poor house?

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#12596608 - 01/26/18 12:48 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I don't think we have winter blends in Texas, but I may be wrong. Most engines run rich until they are at normal temps. Takes longer in the winter. And I know I let mine idle for several minutes before I leave the house. I tend to run at least 1 mpg less in cold weather.

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#12596642 - 01/26/18 01:16 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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Ive never known if we get winter blend fuel in texas or not. I would suspect in San Antonio we do not.

I did notice that I loose about 2 mpg from winter to summer on my ecodiesel for commuting because the warm up time. On long trips during the winter the loss is negligible.

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#12596647 - 01/26/18 01:21 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: redchevy]
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Ecodiesel with a tune. Took a 500 mile trip to the ranch and back 65-70 mph 4 adults luggage for 3 days 500 lbs of feed 2 ice chests and 2 5 gallon igloos full of water. 32 mpg round trip banana love this truck.


I filled this tank last Thursday night drove to work Friday, then to the ranch for the weekend, then back home and the rest of the week till last night where I filled up (with a 1/3 of tank left because we are headed out of town again). I filled up at the same pump at the same gas station with the auto stop set on the slowest setting just like I always do and hand calculated 30.07 mpg average of the whole tank commuting for a solid week and the trip. 518.6 miles traveled 17.248 gallons to fill.

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#12596677 - 01/26/18 01:52 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Samsonsworld]
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I don't think we have winter blends in Texas, but I may be wrong. Most engines run rich until they are at normal temps. Takes longer in the winter. And I know I let mine idle for several minutes before I leave the house. I tend to run at least 1 mpg less in cold weather.



Possible, I have been working up in Junction and itís cooler around this area usually, itís a possibility that my big motor is doing something to stay warmed up.

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#12597048 - 01/26/18 06:19 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
I don't think we have winter blends in Texas, but I may be wrong. Most engines run rich until they are at normal temps. Takes longer in the winter. And I know I let mine idle for several minutes before I leave the house. I tend to run at least 1 mpg less in cold weather.



Possible, I have been working up in Junction and itís cooler around this area usually, itís a possibility that my big motor is doing something to stay warmed up.

Does it go into that high idle when it's cold?
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#12597250 - 01/26/18 08:34 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: Chris B]
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Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
I don't think we have winter blends in Texas, but I may be wrong. Most engines run rich until they are at normal temps. Takes longer in the winter. And I know I let mine idle for several minutes before I leave the house. I tend to run at least 1 mpg less in cold weather.



Possible, I have been working up in Junction and itís cooler around this area usually, itís a possibility that my big motor is doing something to stay warmed up.

Does it go into that high idle when it's cold?


No, I let it idle for 3-4mins before I leave and doesnít go into high idle. This thing has never been good on mileage, but itís getting real bad now. I wish someone would make a truck that could handle weight and get decent fuel mileage.

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#12599052 - 01/28/18 02:02 PM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: d]
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I have a 2013 GMC 2500 Duramax Diesel that is tuned and deleted with 34's:

-Towing my 20ft basscat I get 14.8mpg on a 120 mile round trip to the lake.
-70 mph unloaded I will get 19.5mpg
-City driving 14.5mpg

In general, MPG is about 1.5 worse in the colder months. All of these numbers are hand calculated and I always use a diesel additive (optilube XPD).
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#12599895 - 01/29/18 07:33 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: grout-scout]
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout

No, I let it idle for 3-4mins before I leave and doesnít go into high idle. This thing has never been good on mileage, but itís getting real bad now. I wish someone would make a truck that could handle weight and get decent fuel mileage.


Depends on how heavy of a trailer you have and what gear ratio you run to pull you should do better than what you do.
I have a friend that had his 2005 Dodge 3500 dually stolen 5 years ago and just this last year bought a 4500 4 door with a flat bed on it. He pulls a trailer with a spray rig for media blasting so it needs to have the capability to load a couple thousand pounds of media on it. He gets better fuel mileage than you seem to get. I know without pulling he said he gets around 13 mpg.

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#12599946 - 01/29/18 08:18 AM Re: Need Real world MPG's...thanks! [Re: grout-scout]
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Well I believe somewheres in this thread that I said my f350 (diesel) got 13.5 mpg wether I was pulling my trailer or empty. The last few tanks I have been getting 8-9mpg pulling the trailer and 11-12 without the trailer.
Has anyone experienced a loss in fuel mileage with the winter blend fuels or is my truck just trying to send me to the poor house?


Seems like you have always reported pretty poor fuel mileage on your trucks you had a dodge before this truck, a 5.9 if I'm not mistaken and had the same gripe. I think you have some oddity in how you use it that you don't say or don't think of. We pulled a 17k+ pound dozer/trailer combo with an '05 duramax and got better mileage than your getting and I'm betting whatever you were towing was 1/2 that.

What size tires are you running?


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Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 38139
Loc: Broaddus TX
I would be the last person talking about MPG, driving a Toyota. That said, my last ride was an 08 Dodge 3/4 Ton mega-Cab, 4wd with the 6.7 Cummins. Loved the truck, but after 176K, it still didnít pay for itself. MPG was about 3 more than my Yota gets, Fuel, generally $.25 a gallon more than gas. Way more maintenance costs that a gas burner. I loved the diesel though. Towing was outstanding. It was 3 years of AC problems that no one was able to fix that drove me out of the dodge and into the most reliable pickup on the road, the Toyota Tundra.
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