Hey frank... Use the hellbender as the diver. Search in this section for the rigging. You can use plastics, small spinners or the pet spoon at the business end. We troll just fast enough to keep your line tight... Just trying to help you in your quest...
We don't use anything above the hellbender
Hooking a fish is like playing string with a cat. The exact size, shape, color of string matters less than how you wiggle it- and little cats are easier to fool than big ones. John Gierach