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#11849581 - 09/26/16 08:03 AM Choke Canyon should catch more water soon
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Just showed the Frio River at Garner State Park. They said it was flowing 5ft. above its banks and supposedly going over the damn there. Choke should catch some more rain water soon.

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#11849597 - 09/26/16 08:11 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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Looks like it has already come up about 6".
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#11849979 - 09/26/16 11:14 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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The Nueces is at 60,000 cfs at Uvalde. Corpus will fill again.

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#11849986 - 09/26/16 11:18 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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Should be a lot of freshly flooded lakebed.
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#11850356 - 09/26/16 03:00 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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The Frio didn't catch as much water as the Nueces, but should still see a little rise. The flooding coming down the Nueces should fill Lake CC in a couple weeks.

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#11850524 - 09/26/16 04:38 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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From my understanding Choke got more than enough rain to fill this summer, but they let water out as it was filling up to keep the flow down to the bay.

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#11850820 - 09/26/16 07:02 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
From my understanding Choke got more than enough rain to fill this summer, but they let water out as it was filling up to keep the flow down to the bay.



I'm sure the big "water for sale" pond by 99 bridge helps a lot too. I wonder where all of their water comes from???

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#11851338 - 09/26/16 10:57 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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I've pretty much given up seeing Choke full again in my lifetime!
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#11851353 - 09/26/16 11:09 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
I've pretty much given up seeing Choke full again in my lifetime!






Me to Jim! I was very pleased to see Medina Lake get full again! thumb
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#11851523 - 09/27/16 08:04 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
I've pretty much given up seeing Choke full again in my lifetime!



I might see it one more time since I'm 39, doubt I'll see it twice though. If it ever does fill up it is gonna be like fishing in a jungle!

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#11851591 - 09/27/16 08:35 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
From my understanding Choke got more than enough rain to fill this summer, but they let water out as it was filling up to keep the flow down to the bay.


This is 100% false. Where do you get your facts from? Nearly 100% of the bay inflows this spring and summer were met from the nueces/lake corpus.

Most people have little understanding of the hydrology of these systems. Choke canyon is a huge volume with a full capacity at 695,271 ac-ft (currently 303,558 ac-ft). It also has a small watershed that happens to cross a large aquifer recharge zone of the carrizo wilcox aquifer. The Frio watershed just simply has not caught the amount of water needed to fill the lake. 2500 cfs is simply does not much for rising the lake. 2500 cfs even for a full 24 hrs is only 4,950 ac-ft!

All these rumors about where water goes are nonsence, just look up the acutal numbers. http://www.nueces-ra.org/CP/CITY/passthru/index.php


Edited by mbsfish (09/27/16 08:46 AM)

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#11852561 - 09/27/16 06:05 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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I agree with mbsfish. We just haven't lucked into the big rain to fill her. Once i recall oppossum creek added about 10ft. but that was long ago.
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#11853177 - 09/28/16 01:47 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: Big Lunker]
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If Choke Canyon by some chance ever gets to its full capacity again (by the will of nature). I will put out efforts to have TP&W restock Choke Canyon. They may tell me to go to hell, but if enough people confront them about restocking they may bring back that fishery. Everyone knows that Choke was one of the top premier fisheries in Texas way back before the drought hit, and TP&W made a lot of extra income off that lake. They restocked Medina Lake after it refilled, so don't tell me they can't do it. Nature and the will of God works in mysterious ways. Don't give up on Choke yet!!!!

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#11853922 - 09/28/16 11:50 AM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: mbsfish]
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Originally Posted By: mbsfish
Originally Posted By: redchevy
From my understanding Choke got more than enough rain to fill this summer, but they let water out as it was filling up to keep the flow down to the bay.


This is 100% false. Where do you get your facts from? Nearly 100% of the bay inflows this spring and summer were met from the nueces/lake corpus.

Most people have little understanding of the hydrology of these systems. Choke canyon is a huge volume with a full capacity at 695,271 ac-ft (currently 303,558 ac-ft). It also has a small watershed that happens to cross a large aquifer recharge zone of the carrizo wilcox aquifer. The Frio watershed just simply has not caught the amount of water needed to fill the lake. 2500 cfs is simply does not much for rising the lake. 2500 cfs even for a full 24 hrs is only 4,950 ac-ft!

All these rumors about where water goes are nonsence, just look up the acutal numbers. http://www.nueces-ra.org/CP/CITY/passthru/index.php


If you will notice I said "from my understanding" I offered no facts. With all your wisdom please explain your link, no units anywhere. Also whatever is realeased from choke winds up in the Nueces river correct? And flows through Lake CC no? I'm not being a smart arse, i'd be happy to learn something. I however know that choke received large amounts of rain in areas that would have brought water to the lake and the lake had either zero change or in some cases went down afterwards according to the level monitoring site I was watching.

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#11857476 - 09/30/16 12:35 PM Re: Choke Canyon should catch more water soon [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: mbsfish
Originally Posted By: redchevy
From my understanding Choke got more than enough rain to fill this summer, but they let water out as it was filling up to keep the flow down to the bay.


This is 100% false. Where do you get your facts from? Nearly 100% of the bay inflows this spring and summer were met from the nueces/lake corpus.

Most people have little understanding of the hydrology of these systems. Choke canyon is a huge volume with a full capacity at 695,271 ac-ft (currently 303,558 ac-ft). It also has a small watershed that happens to cross a large aquifer recharge zone of the carrizo wilcox aquifer. The Frio watershed just simply has not caught the amount of water needed to fill the lake. 2500 cfs is simply does not much for rising the lake. 2500 cfs even for a full 24 hrs is only 4,950 ac-ft!

All these rumors about where water goes are nonsence, just look up the acutal numbers. http://www.nueces-ra.org/CP/CITY/passthru/index.php


If you will notice I said "from my understanding" I offered no facts. With all your wisdom please explain your link, no units anywhere. Also whatever is realeased from choke winds up in the Nueces river correct? And flows through Lake CC no? I'm not being a smart arse, i'd be happy to learn something. I however know that choke received large amounts of rain in areas that would have brought water to the lake and the lake had either zero change or in some cases went down afterwards according to the level monitoring site I was watching.


Forgive me if I sound harsh, but there are too many misnomers about water in general but especially choke.

The units on the link are listed at the top of the table but most all volumes are in Acft (=325,851 gallons), which is the unit we use in water resources. For choke you want to look at inflows from the Frio and San Miguel. And yes releases from choke are on there too. Easily the number 1 consumer of water on choke is evaporatation (it's a windy desert), which is also in the table. Yes I know the table is confusing, but it has a lot of data. Also at the top of the page you can go back to any date and see, probably the last day of the month is best, because it lists everything in MTD.

Anyway if you really want to know more I can point you to other data.

Source: I'm a hydrologist from a different area with personal interest (fishing) here

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