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Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rhino68W] #11784101 08/18/16 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rhino68W
Makes sense. I just feel if a plain jane color CB catches fish then maybe some people are over thinking it. Kind of like jig skirt colors.


I get that.

My line of questioning is more along the lines of do we really need to paint this .....





When this might catch just as many fish ?


Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11784178 08/18/16 05:31 PM
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Pretty lures catch more fishermen than fish.......but....dang....they sure look good in the box.....

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: redskeeter190] #11784181 08/18/16 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: redskeeter190
Pretty lures catch more fishermen than fish.......but....dang....they sure look good in the box.....


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Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11787724 08/20/16 05:52 PM
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The fun part of bass fishing is figuring out what will get a bite in a constantly changing environment. One line of thought is that a bass will hit anything....even a twig. Another line of thought is that matching the available forage as closely as possible will improve the chance of getting bit. Personally I don't place much value on the "twig" line of thinking. In line with the other idea...you can't get much more realistic that a photo-finish on a lure. From my experiences I do best, day in and day out, when I try to match whatever the bass in an area are feeding on. As a starting point it makes sense to have a selection of lures based on the natural prey in your specific lake and tune that to the forage in an area at a specific time. What bass are feeding on has a lot to do with the seasons. Lots of other variables also come into play as well. I suspect there's a reason you see so many patterns that resemble a bream, but are wildly different in coloration. Same thing with shad patterns...do all shad look the same...if that's true them why so many shad lure variations?? Painting lures has more to do with the reason you paint than with what you paint. If you want to sell your lures.... keep it simple...time is money and complex patterns take time. If you're painting patterns for your own use, or as a hobby, maybe time isn't as important as it might otherwise be and you can pay attention to the small details. What pattern and in how much detail??? What you really need to paint is what you want to paint... but more importantly the way YOU paint it. Really enjoy seeing the artwork posted on this forum. 2cents

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11828289 09/14/16 03:29 PM
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It might be silly, but confidence plays a huge factor, especially for the more novice fishermen like me. I will invariably catch more fish with a bait I have confidence in. In that sense, sexy lures are bought by fishermen who admire them. I love the feeling of excitement when I'm taking some new baits out to throw. If the foil covered, real 3D, holographic, red hook, jointed, wake bait turns you on, you might throw it with more intent.

Sebile came out with a line of cranks called "Action First". I'm pretty sure they intended them to be exactly what the name said, focused on action, and a simple paint job. If the fish are really attracted to just a few primary (not in the actual 3 color primary sense) colors, why not paint the whole lure in those colors solid? I guess that's why it's still fishing, and why we still love it.

I like the fancy paint jobs.




like the man says...if you're swimming in the ocean and get bitten by a shark, its not a shark attack. You're in THEIR neighborhood. If you're at home in your shower, turn around and a shark is in there with you...THAT'S a shark attack
Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11828490 09/14/16 05:03 PM
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My wife is funny about crank baits,..and she's a worm dragger from way back.
But she will buy the occasional crank bait based on how pretty it is,..
and then only throw it in places where she knows it won't get lost or hung up,..LOL.
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Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11840579 09/21/16 12:27 PM
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Find actively feeding bass and throw a hard lure that looks like whatever they're feeding on at them. Change lures and throw something that looks nothing like what they're feeding on. The results are pretty conclusive...every time. Size and color have a lot to do with catching. Inactive bass tend to strike more in reaction than to feed. That's when bright or unnatural patterns work best.

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11867947 10/06/16 07:12 PM
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To be honest most lures catch more fisherman than fish.
That being said I have had times in clear water when on of the very fine detailed lures outperformed the rest.
Most of the time my standard splatter back or chartreuse will do great. But there are times when an exact replica will kill them.

I say you guys keep doing what your doing I love seeing these awesome paint jobs. You guys are amazing !!

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868090 10/06/16 08:49 PM
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Fishing yesterday....found a school of bass feeding over a hump at 10 foot. Threw LC2.5's at them, all the same style, the only difference was the pattern. Blue/chartreuse holographic shad caught a bass on almost every cast. Switched back and forth between patterns using the same retrieve and bait-casting setup, crappie, bream, barfish, several shad patterns...some got a few hits, some got a few slaps...nothing got even close to the results of the blue/chartreuse holographic shad???? When the crank bite finally slowed a Carolina rigged 6" worm kept the fun going.
My conclusion is that color and pattern DOES make a difference. I fish cranks a lot...tried this process several times over the last few years with the same results almost every time. Just sayin'

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868093 10/06/16 08:52 PM
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Bois, do you have a photo of this blue/chartreuse holographic shad?



Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868107 10/06/16 09:01 PM
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Not a chance grin

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868108 10/06/16 09:02 PM
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ouch. that hurts.



Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: swalker9513] #11868129 10/06/16 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: swalker9513
ouch. that hurts.

laugh kidding.... seriously, its one of my most productive patterns.... don't want it out yet. I spend lots of time working on patterns that catch bass and I have a few go to patterns that are head and shoulders above anything else...keeping them close to home.

Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868161 10/06/16 09:26 PM
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I don't blame you. Once that cat is out of the bag, Academy will have 400 of them on the shelf from various vendors before you have a chance to check in on the TFF.



Re: Are we working too hard? [Re: Rocket Surgeon] #11868866 10/07/16 01:00 PM
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Found this excerpt from an online article.

Color is critical to crankbait fishing success. One anglers “system” for crankbait color patterns .

1.Orange/Red Craw patterns – I throw the craw patterns in the earliest part of spring, no matter what the water clarity is.

2. Chartreuse/Black Back – My top choice for dirty water all year long. Also a top pick during the spawn when the water is heavily stained. I also use this color in postspawn conditions in off-colored water that is stained or dirty to the point that you can’t see the lure more than 12 to 18 inches below the surface.

3. Bluegill – My favorite color around the spawn, as long as the water is clear to the point you can see the lure at least 18 to 24 inches beneath the surface.

4. Sexy Shad – The best color when the water has a pretty heavy or darker green tint to it, to the point of being stained, and the shad are the predominant forage.

5. Summer Sexy Shad – This is a subtle version of sexy shad that I use largely during the warmest time of the year, as its name suggest, when the water is pretty clear, rather than heavily stained, and shad are present.

6. Green Gizzard Shad – This is a little better choice than plain ol’ Sexy Shad if the water is really, really clear and there are plenty of shad.

The anglers name is Kevin VanDam!!

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