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#11766356 - 08/08/16 09:19 PM Reason for big hooks?
Im RICK JAMES Offline
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Registered: 02/13/09
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Just curious. Why do a lot of you guys use 5/0 or even 4/0 hooks? I see that seems to be the majority of what is suggested on here. I've never had a reason to only if that's what came on a jig or lure. I've never straightened 3/0 or even a 2/0 that I can think of on a bass. I've been with buddies that "straightened" a hook on a fish and looked more like a log to me. I personally feel that a thinner hook gets me better penetration and I felt like I used to lose more fish with poor hook set do to bigger hook then anything else.
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#11766359 - 08/08/16 09:21 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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I mostly use 3/0 for plastics. Haven't ever straightened a hook either.
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#11766373 - 08/08/16 09:26 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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So u throw a 3/0 on a 10" worm or on a flipping tube or a 7" swimbait? Every Bair every application has a hook that works best for it. I've got hooks from a #1 mosquito hook for drop shots to a 10/0 ewg screw lock for swimbaits.
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#11766413 - 08/08/16 09:41 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: ChanceHuiet]
Im RICK JAMES Offline
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Before this takes a left turn. Talking basics. Not people looking for that one giant bite throwing big swim bait all day at El Salto or some big fish fishery.
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#11766414 - 08/08/16 09:42 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: ChanceHuiet]
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Originally Posted By: ChanceHuiet
So u throw a 3/0 on a 10" worm or on a flipping tube or a 7" swimbait? Every Bair every application has a hook that works best for it. I've got hooks from a #1 mosquito hook for drop shots to a 10/0 ewg screw lock for swimbaits.
this....

Some plastics are simply too bulky to allow a good hookset with a smaller hook. And, likewise, Roboworms are too tiny to even correctly rig onto a large hook. So, like above, every bait had an optimum hook shape and size.
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#11766483 - 08/08/16 10:17 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
Im RICK JAMES Offline
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Guess need to simplify for some. If I posted " hey what hook do you suggest for a brush hog" it would get flooded with all brands of 5/0 and 4/0 hooks with all shapes. My point is why 5/0 and 4/0? I'm not looking for advice. Allllllllll just curiosity to hearing the reasons


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#11766518 - 08/08/16 10:32 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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Well a full size brush hog I would use a 4/0 or maybe even a 5/0... Not sure why you feel these hooks are so big... Have you seen the mouth on a 8-9lb bass??? On a baby brush hog I do use 2/0 - 3/0 hooks...
Now I have bent many thin wire hooks... Doesn't have to be a giant bass to bend a thin wire hook... Have also caught some 8-9lb bass on thin wire hooks with no issues... As mentioned above though I also use some super tiny hooks... All depends on the application, bait size and thickness, and what I feel confident in.


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#11766521 - 08/08/16 10:32 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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Well....a thinner hook is available in a 5/0 and a 4/0. So.....simplify a little more for me. Are you confusing hook size with wire thickness that the hook is being made from? Or, are you wanting to know why someone is suggesting a huge hook, or a thick hook? Both?

If someone asked me what hook is suggested for a 6" lizard, I'd probably say 4/0, since that is what is printed on the packages that zoom lizards come in. I wouldn't suggest a "super line" 4/0 since that is a brutal heavy hook that is designed for braid. Unless you were wanting to use it with a big punching weight and 65lb braid...then I'd say get a thick EWG 4/0.

I guess I don't really know if you are asking a question or venting.
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#11766575 - 08/08/16 10:48 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: SteezMacQueen]
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Thick v thin. Guess wasn't made clear in first sorry.
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#11766586 - 08/08/16 10:58 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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Im in Colo and hevent used a 3/0 at all this year and maybe once or twice last year.

I like a hook that takes up the entire bait or as much as possible as I believe my landing percentages are higher with the larger hooks.
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#11766598 - 08/08/16 11:07 PM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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True depends on what you're rigging it on. I rarely throw worms and I throw my swimbaits on jig heads. I throw my creature baits on 3/0 or 4/0 if screw lock.
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#11766844 - 08/09/16 07:57 AM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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Originally Posted By: Im RICK JAMES
Thick v thin. Guess wasn't made clear in first sorry.


If flipping heavy cover with 65lb braid with let's say a Rage Craw, you'd want a 4/0 thick flipping hook. A thin wire hook in that situation could easily get bent or not penetrate enough through the cover + a 3lbers mouth/upper jaw.

The same 3lb bass (that was in heavy cover in the above example) in open water fishing a finesse worm on a drop shot on 8lb test line, you would want a fine wire 1/0 or 2/0 octopus hook. On 8lb test and the reel/pull hook set with drop shot, you want a fine wire hook to pierce through the upper jaw--using a 4/0 thick wire hook in that situation, you would most likely either break the line or not get a good penetration into the jaw with the reel/pull hook set.

3lb bass on a crig with average amount of line out fishing a finesse worm--thin wire hook (probably a 2/0 offset roundbend)
3lb bass on a crig with average amount of line out fishing a thick craw tube--thick wire hook (probably a 4/0 superline hook)

So, the type of hook for each situation varies depending on multiple variables including:
line type
line size
rod strength and action
long casts or short casts
plastic length
plastic width/thickness/hollow body plastic or not
appendages/no appendages and overall shape of the plastic
amount/density and type of cover you are fishing
type of hookset you use for that particular technique
what you have confidence in

In general, the less stretch the line, the shorter the cast, the thicker the plastic, the thicker the cover the more likely I'd use a thick guage wire hook.

For long, thin plastics with no appendages (regular worms), I prefer the shortest hook I can get away with (the shorter the hook, the more action the worm)
For bulky, wide/thick plastics, the thicker the hook I can get away with: I have more confidence with hook with lots of space between the hook point and shank (like a flipping hook)

If you want to simplify and use one type of hook for all situations, a decent hedge (might not be the best for all situations, but good enough) would be to use 1/0 to 6/0 superline hooks (needle-like point, put with thicker gauge)



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#11766857 - 08/09/16 08:05 AM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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^^^ This... It depends on what I'm trying to do. I will use a 5 or 6 in really thick trees with braid. May only use a 4 in grass.
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#11766892 - 08/09/16 08:16 AM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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I use thin hooks in most applications. It cuts thru the worm better and into the tough parts a fish better than a thick hook. you have to be ready to work the fish and the amount of pressure applied if you get a good one on. They will straighten with too much pressure. But you can also get some of your expensive tungsten back as well with the thin hooks. I only use the thick hooks in really heavy stuff, with braid and a heavy rod and a hammering hook set.

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#11766938 - 08/09/16 08:37 AM Re: Reason for big hooks? [Re: Im RICK JAMES]
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In Mexico and a few private lakes, you need a 7" Senko to catch the big ones.

That bait simply swallows lesser hooks and as mentioned, beefy line lets you use one with more rigidity and thickness.

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