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#11764157 - 08/07/16 09:17 PM John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
Neal G Offline
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Registered: 11/06/09
Posts: 598
Loc: Texas
I do not understand the hype and big deal on the internet being made out of John Cox's tin boat and winning the FLW Cup.

Fishing and winning big time tournaments out of tin boats has been going on for years. It would happen more often if BASS would not have changed the boat use rules the year after Menendez won at Dardanelle. The benefit of using a tin boat is determined by the fishery and the tournament schedules.

Albert Collins won the BASS Nation Championship last year with one. We would see tin boats at the Red River for BASS and FLW tournaments. Example - Steve Kennedy. Sean Hoernke won a big one there in a 17 ft tin boat. Clunn fished out of one for several tournaments. Biffle won on the Arkansas river. Etc....

For comparison of Cox's PT20 to a Ranger Z520C
Length: 20' 5" vs 20' 9"
Beam: 96 vs 96.5
Dry Weight no/motor: 1567 vs. 1825
Max HP" 200 vs. 250
Livewell Capacity: 45 gallons vs 31
Fuel Capacity: 32 gallons vs 45
Cost: big difference
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#11764193 - 08/07/16 09:37 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
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Registered: 07/01/14
Posts: 82
Loc: Mansfield,TX
He also did it without any electronics which is impressive to me. He used GPS only, no sonar so that he wouldn't be tempted to fish deep which is not his strong point. Maybe I need to throw my electronics overboard!

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#11764212 - 08/07/16 09:41 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
Scott A. Online   content
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Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 2331
Loc: Little Elm, Tx
I met him at Lowes by my house when they were here for the TTBC
I remember the boat, I believe it was a Crestliner and it was pretty big!
Congrats to him.

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#11764216 - 08/07/16 09:42 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
Bossbowman Offline
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Registered: 03/14/05
Posts: 2445
Loc: Hill county
Because its perceived to be inferior equipment and a handicap... they guessed wrong. Talent is talent.


Edited by Bossbowman (08/08/16 09:09 AM)

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#11764249 - 08/07/16 09:55 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
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Posts: 1385
Loc: The Great State of Texas
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#11764256 - 08/07/16 10:00 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: goodman1389]
Neal G Offline
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Registered: 11/06/09
Posts: 598
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: goodman1389
He also did it without any electronics which is impressive to me. He used GPS only, no sonar so that he wouldn't be tempted to fish deep which is not his strong point. Maybe I need to throw my electronics overboard!


From another poster about the tournament: "Cox started this tournament with a transducer but broke it off in practice. He said he couldn't tell how much cooler the water was in that creek because he had broken it off."
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#11764318 - 08/07/16 10:57 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
Brandon Dickenson Offline
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Registered: 09/01/04
Posts: 4313
Loc: Conroe
Originally Posted By: Neal G
I do not understand the hype and big deal on the internet being made out of John Cox's tin boat and winning the FLW Cup.

Fishing and winning big time tournaments out of tin boats has been going on for years. It would happen more often if BASS would not have changed the boat use rules the year after Menendez won at Dardanelle. The benefit of using a tin boat is determined by the fishery and the tournament schedules.

Albert Collins won the BASS Nation Championship last year with one. We would see tin boats at the Red River for BASS and FLW tournaments. Example - Steve Kennedy. Sean Hoernke won a big one there in a 17 ft tin boat. Clunn fished out of one for several tournaments. Biffle won on the Arkansas river. Etc....

For comparison of Cox's PT20 to a Ranger Z520C
Length: 20' 5" vs 20' 9"
Beam: 96 vs 96.5
Dry Weight no/motor: 1567 vs. 1825
Max HP" 200 vs. 250
Livewell Capacity: 45 gallons vs 31
Fuel Capacity: 32 gallons vs 45
Cost: big difference



I'm confused, why are you mentioning other people that have won out of one... It's no big deal, remember .

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#11764357 - 08/07/16 11:16 PM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
Barn Online   content
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Registered: 05/17/02
Posts: 2033
Loc: McKinney, TX
I think in the past the finalist in the FLW had to fish out of fiberglass Ranger on the last day. Had that been the case he probably doesn't win if he could not access his spot.

The BASS Elites changed the rules a couple years ago. That you have to fish out of the same type boat the entire season. Thus, now you have to pick either glass or aluminum for the year. Can't just do it for one tourney.

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#11764503 - 08/08/16 06:37 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Barn]
Preacher Ed Offline
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Registered: 09/11/07
Posts: 341
Originally Posted By: Barn
I think in the past the finalist in the FLW had to fish out of fiberglass Ranger on the last day. Had that been the case he probably doesn't win if he could not access his spot.

The BASS Elites changed the rules a couple years ago. That you have to fish out of the same type boat the entire season. Thus, now you have to pick either glass or aluminum for the year. Can't just do it for one tourney.



That's silly in my opinion. I can't remember who, unless it was Roland, fished out of a Jet powered aluminum rig years ago and some whined about that. And some complained when Martin had rigged up a portable platform on his boat for sight fishing many years ago. I guess BASS caves in to some whiners in the interest of a "level playing field". In my opinion the new guys breaking into the Elites are nowhere near on a level playing field with the older guys who have contacts all around this country. Bottom line, the adage, "haters gonna hate" applies here like it does most other places.

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#11764630 - 08/08/16 08:13 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
Cougar FTD Offline
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Registered: 01/27/16
Posts: 148
Loc: Keller TX
Originally Posted By: Neal G
I do not understand the hype and big deal on the internet being made out of John Cox's tin boat and winning the FLW Cup.

Fishing and winning big time tournaments out of tin boats has been going on for years. It would happen more often if BASS would not have changed the boat use rules the year after Menendez won at Dardanelle. The benefit of using a tin boat is determined by the fishery and the tournament schedules.

Albert Collins won the BASS Nation Championship last year with one. We would see tin boats at the Red River for BASS and FLW tournaments. Example - Steve Kennedy. Sean Hoernke won a big one there in a 17 ft tin boat. Clunn fished out of one for several tournaments. Biffle won on the Arkansas river. Etc....

For comparison of Cox's PT20 to a Ranger Z520C
Length: 20' 5" vs 20' 9"
Beam: 96 vs 96.5
Dry Weight no/motor: 1567 vs. 1825
Max HP" 200 vs. 250
Livewell Capacity: 45 gallons vs 31
Fuel Capacity: 32 gallons vs 45
Cost: big difference



I think he got second last year in AOY with an 18'ft and a 150.

It's not the boat that impresses me about Cox at all, it's his persistence to fish shallow year around. Awesome to watch. He has a ninche and it works...that's impressive in today's sport where everyone talks about having to being so versatile.
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#11764664 - 08/08/16 08:29 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
SkeeterDon Offline
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Registered: 05/18/05
Posts: 4086
Loc: Pflugerville, TX
The reason why BASS set the rule that you have to fish out of a similar boat all year round is to keep the playing field as level as possible.

Those that are well known like KVD, Roland Martin, etc etc.... They have access are can get those types of different boats better than a no name person.

The reason for the change was an unfair advantage, they simply have either deep pockets or access to that equipment. Not everyone has that option.
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#11764665 - 08/08/16 08:29 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Preacher Ed]
BMCD Offline
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Registered: 11/01/02
Posts: 3500
Loc: Katy, Texas US
The camera boats were following him in fiberglass boats. Byron was watching him from a fiberglass Ranger. I dont think tin was an advantage this time. He just out fished everyone else.

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#11764682 - 08/08/16 08:40 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: BMCD]
Cougar FTD Offline
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Registered: 01/27/16
Posts: 148
Loc: Keller TX
Originally Posted By: BMCD
The camera boats were following him in fiberglass boats. Byron was watching him from a fiberglass Ranger. I dont think tin was an advantage this time. He just out fished everyone else.


Aluminum
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#11764739 - 08/08/16 08:57 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: Neal G]
jhall239 Offline
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Registered: 10/02/15
Posts: 108
Loc: Hemphill,TX/Jonesboro,LA
I bet you there are more fish caught out of tin boats than anything else. Just dont have cameras following them all the time
Maybe not from the pros but overall, I'd almost bet
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#11764753 - 08/08/16 09:03 AM Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal??? [Re: SkeeterDon]
sprigsss Offline
Angler

Registered: 02/11/11
Posts: 321
Originally Posted By: SkeeterDon
The reason why BASS set the rule that you have to fish out of a similar boat all year round is to keep the playing field as level as possible.

Those that are well known like KVD, Roland Martin, etc etc.... They have access are can get those types of different boats better than a no name person.

The reason for the change was an unfair advantage, they simply have either deep pockets or access to that equipment. Not everyone has that option.


I disagree. I think they want everyone fishing out of fiberglass boats because they want the general public to believe you have to have all of the high dollar equipment to compete, catch fish, and win.

They are scared that if too many people start winning in $20,000 rigs, it will hurt the bass fishing industry.

You telling me a person new to the sport has an easier time getting a $75,000 bass boat than a $20,000 aluminum boat?

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