I'm not a Dodge/Ram guy, but we're looking at getting a travel trailer and I didn't want to take the family around the country with my old 2004 Chevy pulling it around. Knowing that I really only need to tow about 6,000-7,000 lbs, payload won't be critical, and I need decent mpg for driving to work every day, the Ram EcoDiesel fit all the bills.

The only other trucks that I seriously considered were the Tundra and F-150 ecoboost. I just couldn't bring myself to buy a Ford (and the mpg reportedly isn't that great at normal highway speeds), and the Tundra gas mileage is just abysmal, and the end-of-year 2016 Ram incentives made the ED a really great value. Got a Lone Star trim with spray-in bedliner, dual zone climate control, limited-slip differential, and Alpine speaker system. Really excited about it. Getting anywhere from 21-30 mpg right now. It was a darker color than I wanted, but this particular truck had an extra $1500 rebate on it since it had been on the lot for a long time. It's not ugly enough for me to turn down an extra $1500 discount.

Hard to believe you can get a crew cab half ton with tons of features, mid/upper 20s gas mileage, and a diesel motor for low-$30s. I'm surprised they're not selling more of them honestly. There just isn't much else out there that can compete with it if you're putting a bunch of miles on your truck.

Nice truck, low 30's with no trade...outright buy plus ttl?

Thanks. Yep, $33,838 plus TT&L with no trade. Sold my 2004 Silverado with 155k miles for $6900 and I've got my Altima listed on craigslist for $12,850.

On top of that price, I did pay $250 for window tint & wheel locks, $295 for the chrome body molding, and $360 for an OEM integrated trailer brake controller. But that price included the limited-slip differential, spray-in bedliner, Alpine speaker system, dual zone climate control, and all of the Lone Star package add-ons (3.55 rear axle, cruise control, fog lamps, 7" display screen, back-up camera, full length console, chrome wheels/grill/door handles, 8-speed transmission, etc.). MSRP was $45,800 including the $5,000 Lone Star package discount, or $50,800 if you don't include that.

I also added the running boards myself ($200 online versus $630 that the dealer wanted).

Not ugly at all. That looks like a very nice truck to me. And you got a great deal. If you're happy with it thats all that matters.

Congrats! Drove mine to the coast this weekend round trip average was 28.5 mpg

I might just have to check one out with 4WD.

I think they are one of the better looking trucks out there. I'm not much on the square look. Think dodge has had the best body style for a few years now.

What I'm finding out is the mileage if you're cruising on the highway is ridiculous. If you have lot of stop & go, then it'll quickly drop to low 20's. Mechanically, it all makes sense and it's well-designed. But repeatedly stopping and accelerating 5,000+ lbs from 0 to 60 isn't good for the gas mileage at all. My 3,000 lb Altima handled it fine, but it has a significant impact on the truck's mpg. If you aren't going to be doing much of that, then it would be a great truck. If you are, then don't expect mid/upper 20s mpg.

I love the body style too. I just think the dark gray is going to be hot in the summer and show every speck of dirt. I like the look of the truck. I was just thinking something like silver or white would be better long term here in Texas.

I ended up with white. They had a black and silver one identical to the white one I bought. Never liked white before... but in the 4 months I've owned it, it has grown on me a lot.

My old Silverado was white and I loved it.

I have had 3 whites and one gray in last 4. Really like the white because they look clean even when not. Silver or gray has a tendency to fade in the Texas sun. Nice looking Dodge if you are in to chrome. Chrome and big grills are 2 trends I am not a fan of. Great price on that truck surprised it sat on the lot that long. Can't beat that gas mileage. They all drop off like that in city driving.

I have had good luck with silver last one I had was 2nd Gen Tacoma and it never faded,but only had for 6 years and did stay on top of the washing and waxing...was easy to keep it looking clean.

Nice truck! Congrats!

You can Pm me the dealership and salesman name and phone number please

I traded from a 2012 Ecoboost to an Ecodiesel very simialar to yours.
I have been more than happy with it.
Check out this company if you want to tune it up a bit.
http://www.greendieselengineering.com/

I have had it on mine for 4k and it is a difference maker.
I pull a 19ft Basscat with mine and I get around 19mpg.
The Ecoboost was around 13mpg when towing.
The overall on mine is around 25mpg with the the tune on it. It was around 22 before the tune.
The tune also gets rid of the lag in the pedal. Drives just like a gasser now.

Word on the streets is Ford has a small diesel coming soon.
I agree with you though, the Ecodiesel is a steal for what you get.

Thanks for the info. I've been considering the tune. Seems like a no-brainer from an engine longevity and performance standpoint. My only concern is voiding the warranty if I had some engine or transmission problems. And price. Did you keep your old ECM or just do the swap?

Yes, I've heard Ford has a diesel coming out in 2017. I wouldn't ever personally own a Ford (and I certainly wouldn't buy it the first year it came out), but I would expect it to be at or just above the mpg of the ecodiesel if they can get the rumored 10-speed transmission behind it.

I just did the swap. Its a factory ecm just like your current one, only reprogrammed.
No markings on it, and ecms dont match to vins.
I waited a little bit too, but wished I hadn't.
If your dealer reflashes it for some reason, you can get it reloaded back to the tune easily for $50 with Green diesel engineering.

It is pricey, but you will spend that small investment and never look back.
Over the life of the vehicle, pocket change.

I find the Dodge cabs and seats to be more comfortable than either Tundra or GMC and have them all. Probably depends on the individual though.

I think they're more comfortable than current Toyota/GM offerings, but not as comfortable as my old 2004 Silverado. Could just be what I was used to though. Overall, it's a really easy truck to ride in.

Thanks. Yeah I'm just worried about them finding it if my motor bites the dust and denying a warranty claim.

I once talked to a dodge mechanic about this (not for your model of truck though) and he said "that they wouldn't know what was hooked to the computer; but they would know that something non-mopar had been hooked to the truck". Soooo, it might be a buyer beware thing.

Bought mine in February. Best truck I have ever owned for sure.

I had a 14 Eco that I loved but it had electrical demons. I traded out of it, but plan on giving them one more try in a year or so.

Allegedly, they're planning on re-doing the engine for 2018. Should be interesting to see if they can improve the power and/or mpg numbers. They'll likely have to make a strong response after Ford puts out their 2017 diesel F-150.

The eco diesel has came a long ways, And I mean that. it seems they worked the timing gears out and no more jump time and ruining heads, i would love to see one in a long wheel base with towing mirrors like ford has with the eco boost towing package . For the Ford, I know people love them people hate them, but the poor head machining and no more replacing heads we just replace the whole engine kept me from loving it. The 6.7 is no doubt a powerful motor and did there neat home work on liquid cooled inter cooler, reverse flow head design etc. My neighbor has one with 65,000 on it with no problems.at all period, then you my other nieghbor has one and has had hell out of his with only 40,000 on it and has 1 engine replaced already, just alot problems since new. Same year models, no tuners, motor craft filters with oil changes at 5,000 only bumper pulling. It just seems like now days no matter what you buy its getting to the point of what day it was built...lol. hangover mondays, or tear your [censored] fridays.

Mind sharing your info about how they "fixed" the timing slip problem? From what I have read it was never a wide spread problem and no fixes have been implemented. From what I have been told/read the only problems that have been fixed were emissions related. There are still motors blowing for unknown reasons and RAM is not divulging any info.

13k miles on mine now, seems to run even better than before as it breaks in. No problems and my current tank of commuting all week is sitting at 27.3 mpg.

I was told by the guy at the dealer when i was picking up some parts that the timing issue was fixed? If it isn't then it isn't, guess maybe there trying to ease peoples mind about it. The main reason from what I have seen the problem being is the timing gear is poorly designed around the cam shaft and allows it to slip or break. I have personally seen 2 that have done this but they were both 2014. As far as still blowing motors for no reason there no telling on that one. They have had good success out of that eco diesel over in the European country's and in the Cadillac products before putting into service over here. May be the us ecu program for the engine for it to operate over here in the states, or emissions, who knows. Me personally I like them, just still wish they would make a long wheel base.

Just started doing some looking at these and the first thing I am noticing is most of them in this area at least are pretty loaded out.They are running in the mid to upper 50's.What I am also seeing and I realize these are 4x4 models is the mpg ratings are 16-23 mpg.I believe the rear ends are 3:55 and 3:92.What are you that have these getting mpg wise and what are they rated at and are yours 4x4 or not.These have my interest.Also what are the ratios that you have and have you done any towing with them.Thanks

2014 4x4 eco diesel lone star with 100k lifetime average with Decked tool boxes loaded down is 24.5. I can get 27-28 straight freeway and 18-20 towing my boat.

Run Diesel Kleen and you will pull 8th gear longer and get at least another 1 mpg.

What gear ratio?

I have the 3.55 and it's 2WD. Towed my boat once to Fork and back and got 19 mpg. It's a 17' fiberglass boat that weighs about 4,000 lbs trailer, gear, and all.

Lots ones that aren't loaded out at other dealers. Rockwall Dodge had some fairly base-model units, but I wanted one with dual zone climate control and had to go to McKinney to get that.

I believe 4x4 costs you 1-2 mpg and the 3.92 gears cost you 1-2 mpg. So you'd go from 28 highway down to 24-26 highway. On the flip side, towing gears and 4x4 in a gasser half ton usually means 14-15 mpg, so you can't really compare an 18-20 mpg gasser half ton that's 2WD with higher gears to an ED that's 4WD with lower gears.

The 16-23 is either a combined estimate or for a different motor than the ecodiesel.

I have a 2015 crew cab short bed ecodiesel and it is rated at 27 mpg hwy. I get 27 average in mixed driving on my 20 mile one way commute driving 65 on the hwy. Have gotten as good as 30.1 on a hwy trip, was 500 miles hwy through a half dozen little towns and 10 miles of gravel road and ranch roads. 65 on the hwy.

Towing our boat which is 4500-5000 lbs 24' fiblerglass center console gets 14-15. Towed a 5x8 trailer with bbq pit on it around a bit this weekend and it gets about 20mpg doing that.

As far as price, I bought a tradesman, crew cab, 4x4, with back up camera, aluminum wheels, the thing where you talk on the phone through the radio, and it ran in the mid 30's before ttl.

I have 3.55 gears. If I had it to do again I think I would get the 3.92's

The 16-23 mpg could be combined I suppose...not sure now what it meant was on three different ads that were showing eco diesel and the gears were 3:55 and 3:92....am thinking 3:92's might be a good choice...any announced changes on the 2017 models?..have heard rumors of a little more hp and torque

I believe a bump in performace is scheduled for the 2018 ym.

2018 is the next scheduled update for half tons.

I was just looking on Autotrader have not visited lots yet.Probably will stay south of 635 and check out Ft Worth area also.I live 27 miles south of downtown Dallas...Rockwall,Mckinney is quite the haul for me.

off topic, but never heard of or seen a 17' that went 4000 lbs. Not sure a closed bow I/O would even weigh that much.

This boat/motor/trailer is supposed to weigh in at 4500-5000 lbs, it is big time more than any 17 foot bass/bay boat. It pulls far more comparably to our 30' TT than our old 19 foot center console. So far I have only logged 2 trips covering any distance with it and they both were around 14 mpg, but they were both into a pretty strong head wind also. 3.55 gears.

Hull is 1,900. Motor is 400. I figured trailer at 800-ish, trolling motor and batteries at another 150, fuel (20 gallons) at 150. Anchor, tackle, fishfinders, misc other gear, etc. at another 200-300 lbs, and I'm somewhere between 3500 and 4000. Probably not 4000, but somewhere in the 3500-3700 range and just rounding up for fairness?

Took the boat to Choke Canyon this weekend. Dad towed it down with the old Dmax and I towed it home with the ecodiesel. I got 31.2 mpg driving to the lake with me the wife our son and luggage. Drove home with same load plus the boat and got 16 mpg all with the cruise set on 65.

Nice!

I filled up on Friday and got 29.9 mpg over a total of 522 miles. 17.45 gallons of diesel. No towing. Mostly highway or back road driving from 45 to 70 mph and it included a long trip back and forth to Tyler (160 miles round trip). Pretty crazy to drive 522 miles on a full-size truck and still be over 1/4 tank of fuel.

My fill-ups so far have all been above 27 except for the one tank I had about 100 miles of towing. Loving this truck so far.

That's about what I have been getting as well.

I have a 4dr Laramie 4x4 with 3.92 and average about 22mpg going 70-75mph. Pulled my 16' bay boat over 250 miles and got about 17mpg doing 65mph. I love this truck. I was a Toyota fan but wanted a diesel motor and couldn't be happier. Perfect truck for me and my needs. I plan on getting a 18-19 bass boat and will be glad I have this truck. Anyone get a tuner? I want to but don't want to void my warranty. I heard it will get rid of turbo lag and add about 2-3mpg. I added a flip style tonneau cover and this thing is perfect for road trips. My wife and two kids in car seats, plus all our [censored]- my kids are set for sleeping in portable cribs and strollers. We also had a Lab ride in the truck on the floorboard in the back, but he passed away. He loved the truck as well. He would sleep or sit up with his head on the center console.

I've been looking hard at the GDE tune, but can't bring myself to spend that much $. I'm not willing to void my warranty, so I'd have to buy the tuned ECM and keep my original and that becomes a $1400 expenditure.

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From what I hear they are making some killer deals on them right now. If your interested you really should shop around.

It was Dodge City of McKinney. My salesman was Joe. He was fine. I don't know that he added anything special to the deal. CJ (sales manager) and Matt Lewis (service manager) were both very helpful.

One note - their "lifetime powertrain warranty" is nice peace of mind, but it requires more frequent oil changes than the manufacturer recommends. Just a fair warning since I didn't find out til I read the fine print after I got home.

Redchevy is right that they are doing some good deals on the inventory that's been in stock the longest. I would call around to find a dealership offering the 20% credit on an ED with the trim/options that you want. You should be able to get around 30% off MSRP doing that.

Where did you get your running boards?

How does it compare in towing vs the Tundra?

Depends on what your definition of better is. I think it will tow better because its got enough power, has more low end torque, will probably hold a gear better and from my experience will get better fuel mileage towing the boat than the tundra gets empty.

The Toyota will undoubtedly be faster off the line. Towing say 5,000-7,000 lbs a 5.7 tundra is probably faster off the line than a lot of pickups I would pick any day to tow with over a tundra. I don't need a racecar or single digit fuel economy.

I agree with redchevy.

What are you towing? Tundra's max towing is higher (10k lbs vs 8k/9k lbs depending on what rear end you get). But lots of ED owners are towing 11k-15k lbs with no issues. You just can't get in a hurry doing it.

I get about 19-21 towing my 17' fiberglass boat. My dad gets 15-16 with his Tundra empty and about 12 towing the boat. It's a lot faster and a lot thirstier.

Have either of you owned a Tundra? I'm not sure you would understand or can do a fair comparison if you havent towed with a Tundra before. Those trucks are pulling SOB's. However, now that I'm pulling a camper long distances, I either need a bigger gas tank for the Tundra or a truck that gets better mileage. I just dont want to give up too much in performance.
Just FYI, the Tundra with tow package has a 4.30 rear gear ratio. Overkill I'm sure but it holds gears great, just drinks the gas.

I have driven several tundras as work trucks. I think they are good vehicles, but get miserable fuel mileage. I don't find them any more or less reliable than comparable vehicles from other makers.

In general I find that people who cant live without a 5.7 tundra because all the power it gots need to grow up a little. I wouldn't even consider a tundra over the ecodiesl but that's just me. I'll have to change my stance a little. Was out for work on Friday looking at some properties and had to mash on it to get into traffic and if put the hammer down the ecodiesel will get it, but I still wont ever drive my vehicle like that on a regular basis.

The Ram is a Great truck. I have the Hemi version of the same model year and love it, you'll get fantastic gas mileage and all the luxury that truck has to offer. It's got in my "unbiased" opinion the best interior of the options out there and a very smooth ride.

Only an idiot would tow 11-15k lbs with an ED.

I have read of a lot of people doing stuff like that with them. The thing they most commonly leave out is its for short trips at far less than hwy speed. Like moving a 10k lb tractor 10 miles down a county road at 35 mph and then they talk about it like they hooked it up and took it cross country with the cruise set on 70 no problem.

In the big scheme of things I believe they will do pretty much anything a sane person would do with an older stock cummins or powerstroke or pre duramax gm diesel. Like the ecoboost its got a lot of lower end torque so it pulls well and seems to labor little with moderate loads. It will do anything you should be doing with a 1/2 ton and probably more.

I disagree. It doesn't have the chassis that the older cummins or powerstroke has.

Only an idiot would tow 11-15k with an ecoboost, too. Though it'd do a better job than the ED.

Sure, throw a set of air bags on the rear and there you go. No I wouldn't want to do it all the time or long distance either. I put 2000 lbs of feed in the back of my ecodiesel then put 6 adults and 3 kids in it and drove around with no problems... that's only 3x the rated payload

I didn't say it was smart. I think the ED and EB are about equally capable of handling heavy loads, but the ED will get much much better mpg while doing it.

No...they aren't. 240hp is no where close to 365hp. On flat ground at constant speed maybe. But in Colorado or passing, it isn't anywhere close.

Heck, I'd take the hemi for anything over 6-7k lbs.

I think its worth noting that the standard (non high output cummins) didn't surpass the ecodiesel performance numbers till 2004. Its more motor than you give it credit for. No 240 hp isn't a bunch. 420 ft lb torque is pretty good.

Are we talking speed or mpg?

I don't care about horsepower. It tows my 4000 lb boat just fine and as fast as I could possibly want to go. It will tow my 7k-8k lb trailer fine, but maybe not as fast as the hemi or EB. But they need that extra speed because they'll be stopping at a lot more gas stations along the way.

Stock the 2000 Dodge had 235 hp @ 2500 rpm, 460ft/lbs torque @ 1600 rpm.
The Ecodiesel makes 240 hp @ 3600 rpm, 420ft/lbs torque @ 2000 rpms.

Also the torque on the 5.9 stays flat for most of its useful power range where the 3.0 drops off as soon as it reaches its peak.

Which would be more powerful? The newer truck by far is more refined and it can do more with the little engine but the two engines are two different animals.

I was going on the ratings with the automatic transmission. Up till 2000 the auto trans only had 215 hp and 420 ftlb torque. It depends on what transmission you look at and hi output or not.

No its not a straight up dead on comparison, but the point being its not a huge difference and plenty of people pull a boatload more around with unmodified early model cummins powered trucks. Add to that the 2 extra gears and it makes it a pretty capable truck.

Undoubtedly the 5.9 will work harder longer, but that doesn't mean the ecoD cant do squat. Ive pulled 6k with the ecodiesel and it does it rather effortlessly and I have 3.55 gears the 3.92's would only make it better. I have talked to a man who uses his ecodiesel to deliver travel trailers, he has 240k+ miles on his and says over 1/2 of them are towing travel trailers in the 6-7k lb range.

I'm saying there are circumstances where more power at higher rpm's or more torque would be coveted. But maybe you guys have never been stuck behind a slow truck on a single lane highway.

Passing Test, 2.7lEB vs 3.0lED, towing 7,000lbs, 45 to 65mph, 9.4 vs 21.2 seconds.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/1500/...olet-silverado/

I can say I would probably never put the 45-65 passing time to the test in the real world, weather it was in the ecoD or a one ton cummins. I have patience. If I did put it to the test there would be ample time even with a 30 second passing time.

I surely know that the ecodiesel is not a speed demon and have said it from the get go, but it has a lot of get up and go in the 40-60 mph range. I would have thought it would have done better than 20+ seconds.

I would tow 7k without thinking about it. I also got 27.6 and 27.2 mpg (hand calculated filled at the same pump at the same station the same way I always do set on the slowest setting and stop at the first click) on my last two tanks of commuting mileage. Lets see the ecoboost do that.

I concede, if all you care about is having the half ton you can absolutely tow the most with, then the ecoboost is your winner, it has gobs of HP and torque and pulls very strong. Its average empty and thirsty loaded. I think the ecodiesel provides for everything that a half ton should be doing and gets the fuel mileage of a 4 cylinder cross over and is an out and out winner to me. Lord I hope I don't have emissions issues.

The EB can tow as much as any half ton and gets average mpg if you intend to use any of the speed advantages. The ED can tow as much as 95% of half-ton owners would ever need and gets 30%-50% better gas mileage. And for the most part, it's cheaper up front too.

Is it the perfect truck? No, there's no such thing. If you're willing to drive it sanely and you're towing less than 9k lbs, then it's a huge money-saver over the EB. I love mine.

Just an FYI, the transmission gearing is different on the Tundra versus the Big 3. The 4.30 in the Tundra puts the final drive ratio almost exactly on par with the F150 with the 3.73 gears. IIRC, the F150 actually has a lower 1st and 2nd final drive ratio.

My dad owns a Tundra. I've used it to tow the same stuff as my ED. I think the ED tows at least as well, if not better. Both downshift up hills, but it's clear that the low-RPM torque on the ED is really a big plus for towing.

Haven't towed anything really, really heavy with either one though. Heaviest was a travel trailer that weighed about 6k lbs. Lots of wind resistance to go along with it, but not a really heavy load. Both tow my bass boat with ease and zero down-shifting. The Ram integrates the trailer brake controller status into the instrument display, which is really helpful.

You tow your boat in 8th gear patriot? Mine won't tow ours in 8th. Although I have heard several say with 3.92 gears you can tow some TT's in 8th.

Yeah I think. Been awhile since I've had it out. Wasn't going real fast with the boat. 70 mph is the fastest speed limit between me and Fork and I'm usually going 68-70 in there with a boat in tow. I don't mind going 75 out on I-30 or I-20, but not on a 2-lane road.

I'm hoping to get the boat out over Christmas break and I'll know for sure. My boat is fairly light. It's a 17' fiberglass Triton.

Anyone done a delete on these trucks yet? I bet once you open them up and get rid of all the emission junk the mpg would be insane

The stock tuned mpg is already insane! It gets about 40-50% better mileage than the gas counterparts.

MPG in any vehicle depends largely on driving habits. There are people driving ecodiesels that are getting low 20's. Driving my ecodiesel the same way I drove my gas v-8 trucks the gas would be avg 18 with an occasional 19 mpg and 19-20 all hwy. The ecodiesel gets a solid average 27 mpg and about 30 on the open hwy.

That is me driving both over extended periods of time on the same trips wit the same driving habits. People who delete are seeing about a 2-5 mpg bump in fuel economy.

Well worth it to do it then , no def plus better mpg . I bet the truck runs better as well.

Anyone who deletes one right now is asking for trouble. We are about to go through something similar that Volkswagen did with these trucks and they will be under speculation. I would wait till that all blows over before I did anything.

I'd love to do it, but I have a lifetime powertrain warranty. No way I'm touching anything that would void that. I'll "live" with the 25-30 mpg that I've been getting and put a few gallons of DEF in every 10k miles.

You fellas have any links to this recall? I searched for one and could not find anything.

There is no recall. All there is right now is a private lawsuit out in California claiming that Ram is using a cheat device. The EPA and FCA haven't said or done anything official yet, and aren't expected to for a long time even if there is something concrete to this.

One on end, this could be a money grab by a lawyer to try and fleece FCA for a few bucks. On the other end, it could be that Ram has pulled the same thing as VW and we are looking at some sort of repair and/or buyback situation. Or it could be somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Nobody really knows anything right now, which is why I'm not too worked up about it. I love the truck and I'm gonna keep driving it. I've been using the fuelly app since I got this truck and I'm average 26.9 mpg hand-calculated if I pull out the two tanks where I did a lot of towing.

Like Patirot07 said, its not a lawsuit at this point and I'm not too worried about anything. I believe that if anything comes of it I will be justly compensated.

HOWEVER, the sale of 2017 ecodiesels is being halted for some reason, I can only assume it is due to the emissions claims. If they would pass it would seem simple to me that they could test it and clear it all up for sale... yet here we sit with no 2017's available, even those who ordered them long ago are not getting them and don't have a delivery date on the horizon.

Ahh thanks guys. I was wondering why I hadn't heard anything on the news about it, no doubt a lawyer trying to pad his bank account.

All 2017 small diesel engines are being delayed to more scrutiny by the EPA. BMW nor Mercedes has any of their cars pass the new stringent guidelines. Don't quote me and I don't know why some of the Dodge, Ford and Chevy diesels are out while the others languish but I searched it and looks to me like several car lines are all waiting on certification approvals.

Well since yall won't delete the eco , I deleted my 2012 Ram with a efi live tuner yesterday, wow wow wow

What they are messing with only applies to the light duty diesels. The 3/4 ton and up are out for sale.

Hope you did it right. Have several buddies who deleted and tuned their 6.7's only to be replacing transmissions within 10k miles. If I keep the ecodiesel long term it will be deleted.

Mines not for racing , it's cruising and increased mpg while empty and towing. Most people do it and can't keep their foot out of it .

These trucks are so choked down its sad, not anymore

I agree with you. I wish I could delete mine. Just can't force myself to give up a lifetime powertrain warranty for it.

When we took off my egr and cooler you should have seen the amount of [censored] that's getting put right back through your motor ( think smokers lungs).

Another note: I don't know about the eco but Dodge has it in the owner manual that you take your truck to the shop at 60k miles to have your egr cleaned , for a great price of $850. If it failsafe you didn't have it cleaned guess who's paying that bill ? . Lets day I drive 240k miles on my truck , over thst time I have spent $3500 in egr cleans . Not this guy , that's how much my delete cost that will pay for itself in mpg and less problems.



Did they change the warranty ? My 2012 is 5 year 100k miles on drive train.

My dealer provides a 3rd party lifetime powertrain. Ram is 5 years, 100k still.

I am well aware of what egr does to the insides of the vehicle. Not a fan. If I had cummins reliability behind mine I would have deleted it already. These motors have been showing a pretty high rate of failure under 30k miles or so, for that reason I'm waiting a bit.

Also waiting to see what is coming from the lawsuit agains bosch/Chrysler regarding these trucks. There is also speculation that non of the light duty diesels are meeting the NOX emissions requirements and there will be no 2017 ecodiesels etc. Just going to let it go stock till the waters are a little calmer. If need be you can clean the system yourself with a foaming cleaner and a forced regen.

Hadn't heard anything about the 2017 trucks all being held. Are there new requirements or did they just now begin actually performing the tests?

From what I have read it is all coming from the lawsuit that has been brought up similar to the one against VW. Supposedly all 2017 light duty diesel vehicles have not been cleared for sale or something. Just read today thought that someone "was told" they would be coming back to the market shortly.

I don't really know what is true or what to believe. I do find it funny that at this point no 2017's are on lots and people who have ordered them have been left twiddling their thumbs.

Hmmm....weird. Glad I have my 2016 in the driveway already.

I wish you could get the ED in the rebel package. The gde tune is supposed to extend def fluid and not have as much soot build up.

GDE tune is awesome. But it costs a ton and will void your warranty if you have a problem the mechanic finds it.

My DEF was just barely over half full when I got the truck and I didn't have to put any in before my first oil change at 7,500 miles. Put a couple gallons in and I'm back going again.

Looks like the ecodiesel is going to make the 5:30 news on CBS tonight. Wonder if they will hit them as hard as Volkswagen?

I think Ram's infractions are much less serious. VW didn't even have DEF and SCR equipment in their early models, and the first TDI units to get those had really undersized units that weren't even capable of performing up to EPA standards. Ram's emissions systems hardware is good. They just have software modes that reduce the effectiveness of the system during certain modes of operation. Whether those are necessary from an engineering standpoint or purely done to increase hp/mpg performance, who knows.

Do I wish Ram wasn't in the news for my motor? Of course. Am I gonna worry about it right now? Not at all. I still love my truck more than any other vehicle I've ever owned and will keep driving it til they buy it back or come up with a fix or maybe FCA will just provide an explanation to the EPA and that will be the end of it.

Even if the fix reduced mpg by 10%, it would still get 25% better gas mileage than anything else on the road with a tow rating of at least 8k lbs. But if they reduce mpg, I am also fully expecting some sort of payout from FCA, which will just be icing on the cake.

Just be sure and set the emergency brake, I heard that they are slipping out of park.

Never heard of that one. I've parked on some steep inclines with mine and haven't had any issues. I'll set it from now on, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen anything about that on the Ram ED forum. Maybe I just missed it.

Yeah I was alluding to a news piece on CNN about a month ago, it appears that some actor was killed by his own truck when it crushed him between the vehicle and his gate a while back. I think he might have played in a star wars film, anyway's they said that some Dodge vehicles were slipping out of park.

I got a recall on my Grand Cherokee for that. No fix yet.

Ive only had mine put itself in park when I didn't not the other way around.

Musta been going on for years as my 2004 1 ton 5.9 diesel Ram used to take off in reverse if you didn't have the emergency brake set.

Just bumping up the post. I have heard it is rumored the 2017's have/will be for sale shortly with a fuel economy rating about 2 mpg less than it was. Not sure what is coming for the 14-16 year models already sold, but have heard it will just be a computer flash.

I got 28.33 mpg hand calculated on my last tank, 400+ miles commuting and just under 200 miles of hwy. Still love this truck.

Interesting. Any guess on whether there will be compensation for us if they flash the ECM? There should be, both due to decreased value of the truck and decreased mpg.

Ram's website currently shows 29 mpg still for the HFE.

I believe they tried to keep the numbers up for the HFE as it is specifically marketed as a high fuel efficiency vehicle.

Haven't heard anything about compensation, but if they do reduce the fuel mileage I would assume there will be something and if not a lot of lawsuits or a class action suit.

Yes but if they can keep the HFE at 29mpg, I don't see why they can't keep everything else at 27 or 28.

Has there been any concrete info on the approx 2 mpg decrease?