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#11722842 - 07/14/16 03:45 PM Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time
ChampionDon (SkeeterDon) Offline
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All of you that like to fish for Carp. Please come to lake Austin and take all the grass carp that you can.

Heck have a tourney, there are some that are up to 40 lbs

Lake Austin Vegetation Meeting
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#11723020 - 07/14/16 05:47 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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This should get interesting.
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#11723504 - 07/14/16 09:59 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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Sounds like funz

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#11727477 - 07/17/16 01:37 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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where on the TPWD website does it show the permit has been pulled? From what i just checked it's still there.
The whole lets use an invasive fish to stop and invasive plant was stupid. But to let that same invasive plant come back while the invasive fish's life span is only 7 years is stupid as well.
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#11728694 - 07/18/16 11:24 AM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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#11729002 - 07/18/16 02:08 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ScottEvil]
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Originally Posted By: ScottEvil
where on the TPWD website does it show the permit has been pulled? From what i just checked it's still there.
The whole lets use an invasive fish to stop and invasive plant was stupid. But to let that same invasive plant come back while the invasive fish's life span is only 7 years is stupid as well.


Agreed. They're hoping for a short term solution to a long term problem.
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#11729372 - 07/18/16 06:40 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
jwcromer Offline
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if they are grass carp,what do they eat?

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#11730038 - 07/19/16 08:11 AM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: Big Ted]
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I read the whole bit, made sense from a biologist's (an old one like me anyhow) perspective when colored by the needs of the reservoir manager/city and budgetary concerns.

Grass carp is a management tool just like a powerful herbicide having a long lasting residual effect. Especially nowadays with sterile (triploid) grass carp as the only one being utilized. But long lasting isn't forever, and like a powerful herbicide they can "drift" and have potentially undesirable side effects in other places. But what effects are "desirable or not so" is more to do with the observer than anything else (fisherman vs. lakeside homeowner).

Hydrilla is a non-indigenous weed that sometimes provides suitable habitat for native and non-native species, some of which are desirable to sportsmen, some of which are not. Just like grass carp, tilapia love the stuff as food and cover both. This may or may not be good for the local bass, which usually has little to do with whether or not it is good for the local bass fishermen.

In my life as a fisheries biologist I've found that for the most part, bass fishermen just want to catch a lot of really big bass, really easily, in a short period of time when its convenient to them and without having to go too far or spend a lot of money. Pretty much anything at all that they perceive to be an impediment to this, whether it is or not, they just don't like. Stuff like work, broke down truck, wife wanting toilet fixed, tilapia and grass carp. OTOH they like things such as, happy wife with lots of brownie points in the bank, cheap gas, buddy that likes to fish and spend money, new boat that works good, state hatchery bass stockings and hydrilla.

Kinda like a herd of goats, grass carp will eat the stuff they like the most first (hydrilla, elodea, najas) and when its gone they eat stuff they like less (cattails, carpetgrass along the edges, duckweed) then stuff they don't care for at all, but eat instead of starve to death (milfoil, coontail, hyacinth) some stuff they won't eat at all (chara, filamentous algae, planktonic algae).

So, now that the carp done ate the hydrilla and the water's greened up, the shad and sunfish'll do really good, the bass'll eat a lot, and when the carp dies off and the weeds come back and the water gets clear again, a buncha whoppers'll be waitin' to be caught.

Patience, Grasshopper.....

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#11733381 - 07/20/16 07:21 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
ScottEvil Offline
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Originally Posted By: SkeeterDon
All of you that like to fish for Carp. Please come to lake Austin and take all the grass carp that you can.

Heck have a tourney, there are some that are up to 40 lbs

Lake Austin Vegetation Meeting


The permit is still in effect and stated will not be removed.
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#11824389 - 09/12/16 09:44 AM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
NjTexan Offline
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Registered: 02/16/05
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Loc: Kyle,Texas
The permit has been revoked for grass carp in Lake Austin.

http://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20160907a

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#11824564 - 09/12/16 11:16 AM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
cmc Offline
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Gonna be a bunch of bass boats covered in blood if they legally harvest them by gutting or beheading. I've never fished there but I may go soon to catch a few grass carp as I've never caught one but I have no reason to kill it.
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#11824875 - 09/12/16 01:57 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
NjTexan Offline
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Registered: 02/16/05
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Loc: Kyle,Texas
For me those son's of guns have been hard to catch. If anyone has any tips on bait specifically for grass carp they would share, that would be great.

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#11826239 - 09/13/16 08:51 AM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: cmc]
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Originally Posted By: cmc
Gonna be a bunch of bass boats covered in blood if they legally harvest them by gutting or beheading. I've never fished there but I may go soon to catch a few grass carp as I've never caught one but I have no reason to kill it.


You are required by law to kill any grass carp caught on a body of water that does not have a permit.
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#11826818 - 09/13/16 01:58 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: Hookem]
cmc Offline
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Loc: Graham to Arlington
Originally Posted By: Hookem
Originally Posted By: cmc
Gonna be a bunch of bass boats covered in blood if they legally harvest them by gutting or beheading. I've never fished there but I may go soon to catch a few grass carp as I've never caught one but I have no reason to kill it.


You are required by law to kill any grass carp caught on a body of water that does not have a permit.


Guess I read it wrong. I swore it said MAY now legal retain if gutted and/or head was cut off.
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#11826872 - 09/13/16 02:28 PM Re: Grass Carp Problem - Permit Pulled - Tourney Time [Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
cmc Offline
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I wonder will there be places at the parks to dispose of them if you HAVE to keep them. I can see somebody at a park ripping the guts out of one and chopping it's head off when a bunch people are walking by or having a picnic. grin
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