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#11675316 - 06/18/16 05:20 PM What do i need more ?
Benny55 Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 06/17/13
Posts: 10
Loc: Ovilla ,Tx
Been reading this forum for years and fishing for sand bass about the same time .I have been able to put my sons on fish every now in then but how trouble get one limit whit all of us . I have a 18ft charger boat with a 70 lb trolling motor and a 898 hb in the console . First boat by way , been wanting to get a helix 7 di / gps for the bow or do i need a better trolling motor with spot lock ?

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#11675407 - 06/18/16 06:14 PM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
Bassthumb Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 1239
Loc: Little Elm
its just takes experience. use your topo map and learn to identify fish on your screen. having spot lock helps also.
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#11675862 - 06/19/16 05:40 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
beltonbill Offline
Angler

Registered: 01/23/13
Posts: 309
Fish like ledges and edges. They live in the deepest water in the lake and move to ridges, humps, and drop-offs to feed. Use your computer to help you find them. Download the free Navionics WebApp to your computer. Enter the App and view the lake you want to fish. It brings up an underwater topographical map of the lake. When you see underwater features that have lines close together, that marks a drop off or edge. Look for shallow spots surrounded by deep water on at least three sides. That is a ridge. If it is surrounded by deep water on all four sides, it is a hump. Spending time searching for likely spots will improve your catch. Use your depth finder map function to guide you to the spots you have chosen. Look at the sonar function to spot fish and work the area to try to catch them. Fish close to the bottom are the best candidates for actively feeding fish. If you don't find fish, move to the next spot. It takes a while to get the hang of it, but you will improve. Fishing is as easy as 123.

1. Fish where the fish are.
2. Fish when the fish are biting.
3. Fish with the bait or lure that is like what fish are used to eating.

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#11675863 - 06/19/16 05:47 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
Benny55 Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 06/17/13
Posts: 10
Loc: Ovilla ,Tx
Right experience is what i don't have . I have went on guide trips ,bought topo maps , copy Dennis Christian map and have navionics chip. Every time i think i found fish and set a mark out and troll around it . don't have fish finder in the bow to help me out . I might go head and get the helix 7 di/gps ( father day present ) so i can stay around humps , drop off and points .
Thanks for your reply
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY


Edited by dallas55 (06/19/16 05:53 AM)

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#11675970 - 06/19/16 08:11 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
Ledeez Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 706
Loc: Lake lavon
Spot lock is defiantly a game changer!
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#11676033 - 06/19/16 08:57 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
SeaPro-Todd Offline
TFF Celebrity

Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 6837
Loc: Richardson TX
What lake do you fish? Yes a good graph and knowing how to interpret it help. Spotlock makes it much easier to stay on fish especially fishing with kids and windy days. Make friends at your lake and share and help each others. Enjoy the time spent on the water hunting and learning. Helix 7 got great reviews. David at Shut up and fish can set you up with that.

A buddy of mine, Paul Rogers, lives in Ovilla. He's a good angler. I would ask to take him fishing a few times. He's a good teacher. PM me if you need his contact.
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#11676094 - 06/19/16 09:48 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
CB Aggie Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 02/04/15
Posts: 47
spot lock. HB 898 is good enough. Being on the exact right spot is the big game changer. At least it has been for me. I have had a minnkota and a motor guide for the anchor function, and I will tell you hands down right now it is motorguide who has the better unit. I wouldnt worry about getting the link. I have it and rarely use it for the link function. Trust your graphing unit. Spot lock can be the difference between 100 fish days and 20 fish days. That was me before spotlock trying to hold the boat while everybody else fished.

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#11676098 - 06/19/16 09:52 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
fmclee Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 07/25/09
Posts: 947
Loc: Stephenville,TX
I would give up my sonar long before I gave up spot lock ........

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#11676213 - 06/19/16 11:26 AM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
DanX Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Cedar Hill
What lake are you fishing mostly? I agree with SeaPro-Todd about learning a lake. Fish have patterns that you just have to learn. Just taking some time to figure out those patterns makes a huge difference. Beltonnill also provided a wealth of knowledge in his reply. Mani thing is if you are checking a spot and you don't see fish then move on. When you do find fish in a spot make note of the time of day that you found fish there.

Between a sonar and spotlock I would choose spotlock hands down. You can easily troll your boat from where your sonar is using the remote without having a fishfinder where your trolling motor is at.

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#11676301 - 06/19/16 12:36 PM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
PiePuncher Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 03/24/05
Posts: 3097
Loc: Fort Worth
Make sure to throw out a marker when you find the fish. It will take some of the guessing out of the equation.
As someone else stated, fish ledges, edges, and humps. The fish will usually stack along one or the other.
If the fish are not on top of the humps, lots of times, I will find them on the edges of the humps. Every day of fishing is different.
Good luck and keep working at it. You will get them
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#11676595 - 06/19/16 04:00 PM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
Benny55 Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 06/17/13
Posts: 10
Loc: Ovilla ,Tx
I had bought my boat in 2011 but didn't take it for like 2 years cause i didn't even know how to start it ...(lol) but it came with a motor guide Vari Max 55 lb trolling motoring that would hold the boat an a 525 hb black & white .First lake i fished was Richland Chamber and got lucky couple of times there .Then i started reading the forum and seen Ray Hubbard was closer an was doing good at the time . I booked a couple trips with Paul Roger ( nice guy ) and that was when side image came out or i found out about it . He told me i needed at least an 800 series . So I got the 898 SI combo & navionics and been trying to learn it till today .
Then i started reading all this post from Dennis Christian plus he puts a map up to help every body out ...Thanks btw . So i start fishing Cedar Creek super nice lake . One day i was out there and seen him looking for fish an he was moving from one spot to another .Yes i did try to follow him but he was moving fast so i gave up and went to a hump near by . After 45 mins later with no fish caught he shows up next to me and start catching fish . I was fishing with a slab at the time but always have a pole with a mepps tide on . Pick up the mepps and seen what he was doing and started catching fish . Before he left he came by and checked my set up and I made sure that was him, also a nice guy. Didn't limit out but i was sitting on fish the whole time and couldn't see them on the graph .
Well 2016 i got my first foot control minnkota edge 70lb trolling and at Joe Pool started doing good. Hard to believe i booked a trip with JP Guide at 3pm in the day and within an hour we have a 4 man limit . So i have been fishing Joe Pool cause its close to the house . I'am still trying to learn how to read my sonar and where to place my boat . So i don't have a certain lake that i would call home yet because all the rain and flooding has me going to different ones.
The new trolling motor has made it easier but i don't have a fish finder in the bow . I was even thinking of holding off a little longer an moving my 898 to the bow an upsize my console one.

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#11676672 - 06/19/16 05:10 PM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
fmclee Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 07/25/09
Posts: 947
Loc: Stephenville,TX
Originally Posted By: dallas55
I had bought my boat in 2011 but didn't take it for like 2 years cause i didn't even know how to start it ...(lol) but it came with a motor guide Vari Max 55 lb trolling motoring that would hold the boat an a 525 hb black & white .First lake i fished was Richland Chamber and got lucky couple of times there .Then i started reading the forum and seen Ray Hubbard was closer an was doing good at the time . I booked a couple trips with Paul Roger ( nice guy ) and that was when side image came out or i found out about it . He told me i needed at least an 800 series . So I got the 898 SI combo & navionics and been trying to learn it till today .
Then i started reading all this post from Dennis Christian plus he puts a map up to help every body out ...Thanks btw . So i start fishing Cedar Creek super nice lake . One day i was out there and seen him looking for fish an he was moving from one spot to another .Yes i did try to follow him but he was moving fast so i gave up and went to a hump near by . After 45 mins later with no fish caught he shows up next to me and start catching fish . I was fishing with a slab at the time but always have a pole with a mepps tide on . Pick up the mepps and seen what he was doing and started catching fish . Before he left he came by and checked my set up and I made sure that was him, also a nice guy. Didn't limit out but i was sitting on fish the whole time and couldn't see them on the graph .
Well 2016 i got my first foot control minnkota edge 70lb trolling and at Joe Pool started doing good. Hard to believe i booked a trip with JP Guide at 3pm in the day and within an hour we have a 4 man limit . So i have been fishing Joe Pool cause its close to the house . I'am still trying to learn how to read my sonar and where to place my boat . So i don't have a certain lake that i would call home yet because all the rain and flooding has me going to different ones.
The new trolling motor has made it easier but i don't have a fish finder in the bow . I was even thinking of holding off a little longer an moving my 898 to the bow an upsize my console one.


Get you one of these mounts ... I can turn it around any direction and see it from anywhere I am in the boat


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#11679113 - 06/20/16 08:05 PM Re: What do i need more ? [Re: Benny55]
Capt Craig Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 08/25/09
Posts: 1045
Loc: Richland-Chambers
I think you are armed with a great sonar unit. The trolling motor is good, spot lock is pretty awesome to have though. It take time to learn to read the sonar and get good at understanding everything you see. Learning to tune the unit is important. It can take take to develop your interpretation skills. Sometimes no matter how good the fish look on the sonar, they still won't bite. It will help you to use a marker buoy when you find a spot to fish. Toss it in and work around the spot. When the bite stops, pull it up and find the next group.

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