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Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Diezel_Rocker] #11672181 06/17/16 12:19 AM
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So Clunn already established that he is NOT a spinnerbait master and his little Trickster has not won any elite level tournaments, so why is it even being discussed? I remember a tournament a few years ago where Basil Bacon was throwing a double Colorado huge bladed spinnerbait and just tore then up. Maybe Clunn should talk to ol' Basil.

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Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Neches] #11672219 06/17/16 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: Neches
Originally Posted By: Mike Zachary
I followed Clunn on Sunday. We started watching him when he came off plane from takeoff. He didn't do anything special. He was fishing the old bank line with a steady retrieve. No jerking, popping, stopping, just chunking and winding. He ran us off cause he could here our voices lol. We were 100 yards off his 4 o'clock. He also ran other boats off during the day. I decided he wasn't worth my time and left. A buddy of mine marshaled with him Friday and he said he was not a pleasant person.
if you were watching a pro golf tournament you would have been told to shut up there to. Or escorted out. Clunn is a different kind of guy. His ability to concentrate is one reason he has been so good for ever.



Golf course is a little different than a lake, a professional fisherman cannot run someone off on a public lake for any reason. That kind of mentality is what makes some of the pros less appealing..... I personally follow none.

Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Santonio Banderas] #11672325 06/17/16 02:08 AM
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As I suspected, one of the guys Clunn was referring to as spinnerbait masters was Elroy Krueger. Clunn posted the following on his Facebook page last night:

Clunn -
When I would peak in my Dad's tackle box to see his magical assortment of lures I was always fascinated at these strange looking creations that he would catch fish on. Bass Fest at Lake Texoma brought back memories of my first experiences with my all time favorite lure to fish. His box contained H & H, Twin Spins, and Bomber single spin spinnerbaits. I remember thinking , "Why would a bass bite something like that?", but they did. My real spinnerbait education was slow but would slowly accelerate as I started tournament fishing. That is when I was extremely fortunate to room with, who I now know was the finest spinnerbait angler I was to ever know. His name was Elroy Krueger. He took me from being just a chunk and wind angler to understanding the art and science of this lure and how truly versatile it could be. He could burn it back to the boat without breaking the surface or fish it 25' deep. He could work it through rock, brush, aquatic vegetation that most would not even attempt. He could work it effectively through ultra clear or muddy water with success. More importantly than where and how he would fish it, he shared with me the why. He answered my first question of why would a bass bite something like this. Long before the Alabama Rig the spinnerbait was imitating a small school of shiners or shad. The most important thing he shared with me and the most important element was blade configeration. Sadly this is the part of the art of spinnerbaiting that has been lost. The most dominate blade used today are willow leafs and they do catch a lot of fish. Elroy introduced me to willow leaf blades in the seventies and explained that he chose them only when burning a spinnerbait or fishing very heavy aquatic vegetation because of their very low torque. He explained that torque created water displacement. He commented, " that what you gained with low water displacement willow leafs in these two situations would cost you in others. Mainly you would be sacrificing quality fish for quantity. The more water displacement your blades created the larger the fish that would be attracted to the lure. Note: You can gain more torque by using much larger willow leafs but they are difficult to cast especially in high wind. In most situations he favored the Indiana or Colorado blades. It was his number one big bass lure year round,
I finished 7th at the recent Lake Texoma event using a 3/4 oz. Trickster Spinnebait with a 4 1/2 gold Long Drop blade with a 4" pearl white Luck-E-Strike Ringworm. I designed this blade for Luck-E-Strike about 10 years ago. I loved a willow leaf and I loved a Indiana and the Long Drop was a product of the best qualities of these two. Its the best big bass blade I have ever used. ( I caught the largest bass ever caught in the Bass Master Classic caught on a spinnerbait on the same 3/4 oz Trickster I used at Texoma, 10#8.)
Texoma was perfect conditions being 8' high for this technique. Being June and getting hot the bass were moving out but the flooded conditions had slowed them down. My key was targeting the deepest green bushes on points. Schools of shad were running the outside edges of this flooded cover. Early in the morning when the light was low the key cast was waking the spinnerbait through the center of the bushes. That produced my largest fish everyday. As the day warmed I would fish the lure deeper and deeper on the edges of the bushes. There is nothing like watching a bass come out of the center of a bush and inhale your spinnerbait. FUN!!!
Remember that fishing is the last remaining vehicle for the masses to stay connected to the great outdoors. Nature is a great teacher. Bass Pro Shops is promoting taking a kid, a friend, a family member, or neighbor fishing this week.


Later last night he made a follow up post:

Clunn-
I have been getting a lot of questions about the availability of the Trickster spinnerbaits with the Long Drop blades. Luck-E-Strike has purchased the Norman Lure factory in Arkansas and are in the process of returning to manufacture several of our crankbaits in the U.S. The same is true with the Trickster Spinnerbaits. I am also making a few small upgrades to them. You can put in early orders for them through Tackle Warehouse. I recommend the 1/2+ Tricksters with the #3 1/2 Long Drop Blade and the 3/4+ Trickster with the #4 1/2 Long Drop blade. Shad colors. Thanks for your interest and patience.

Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: patriot07] #11672343 06/17/16 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: Neches
Originally Posted By: Mike Zachary
I followed Clunn on Sunday. We started watching him when he came off plane from takeoff. He didn't do anything special. He was fishing the old bank line with a steady retrieve. No jerking, popping, stopping, just chunking and winding. He ran us off cause he could here our voices lol. We were 100 yards off his 4 o'clock. He also ran other boats off during the day. I decided he wasn't worth my time and left. A buddy of mine marshaled with him Friday and he said he was not a pleasant person.
if you were watching a pro golf tournament you would have been told to shut up there to. Or escorted out. Clunn is a different kind of guy. His ability to concentrate is one reason he has been so good for ever.
There's no reason to treat people like that. Excuses and BS aside, there just isn't a good reason for it. Hearing people's voices from 100 yards away happens all the time at golf tournaments. I was just at Colonial a few weeks ago and it happened on every shot. When the fans are the ones who pay your bills, you need to have a little more respect than that.

FWIW, I heard a staff member's walkie talkie go off during Spieth's backswing during the tournament when I was there. Spieth didn't say a word to him or make excuses about it. That's how a pro treats people.



Clunn doesn't care about mine or your opinion, he's old and set in his ways. He probably enjoys knowing people get offended by the way he acts.

It's great entertainment that people that are neither directly affected or personally know him get offended, LOL


Rock On Old Fellar!!


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Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: MDM] #11672381 06/17/16 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: MDM
As I suspected, one of the guys Clunn was referring to as spinnerbait masters was Elroy Krueger. Clunn posted the following on his Facebook page last night:

Clunn -
When I would peak in my Dad's tackle box to see his magical assortment of lures I was always fascinated at these strange looking creations that he would catch fish on. Bass Fest at Lake Texoma brought back memories of my first experiences with my all time favorite lure to fish. His box contained H & H, Twin Spins, and Bomber single spin spinnerbaits. I remember thinking , "Why would a bass bite something like that?", but they did. My real spinnerbait education was slow but would slowly accelerate as I started tournament fishing. That is when I was extremely fortunate to room with, who I now know was the finest spinnerbait angler I was to ever know. His name was Elroy Krueger. He took me from being just a chunk and wind angler to understanding the art and science of this lure and how truly versatile it could be. He could burn it back to the boat without breaking the surface or fish it 25' deep. He could work it through rock, brush, aquatic vegetation that most would not even attempt. He could work it effectively through ultra clear or muddy water with success. More importantly than where and how he would fish it, he shared with me the why. He answered my first question of why would a bass bite something like this. Long before the Alabama Rig the spinnerbait was imitating a small school of shiners or shad. The most important thing he shared with me and the most important element was blade configeration. Sadly this is the part of the art of spinnerbaiting that has been lost. The most dominate blade used today are willow leafs and they do catch a lot of fish. Elroy introduced me to willow leaf blades in the seventies and explained that he chose them only when burning a spinnerbait or fishing very heavy aquatic vegetation because of their very low torque. He explained that torque created water displacement. He commented, " that what you gained with low water displacement willow leafs in these two situations would cost you in others. Mainly you would be sacrificing quality fish for quantity. The more water displacement your blades created the larger the fish that would be attracted to the lure. Note: You can gain more torque by using much larger willow leafs but they are difficult to cast especially in high wind. In most situations he favored the Indiana or Colorado blades. It was his number one big bass lure year round,
I finished 7th at the recent Lake Texoma event using a 3/4 oz. Trickster Spinnebait with a 4 1/2 gold Long Drop blade with a 4" pearl white Luck-E-Strike Ringworm. I designed this blade for Luck-E-Strike about 10 years ago. I loved a willow leaf and I loved a Indiana and the Long Drop was a product of the best qualities of these two. Its the best big bass blade I have ever used. ( I caught the largest bass ever caught in the Bass Master Classic caught on a spinnerbait on the same 3/4 oz Trickster I used at Texoma, 10#8.)
Texoma was perfect conditions being 8' high for this technique. Being June and getting hot the bass were moving out but the flooded conditions had slowed them down. My key was targeting the deepest green bushes on points. Schools of shad were running the outside edges of this flooded cover. Early in the morning when the light was low the key cast was waking the spinnerbait through the center of the bushes. That produced my largest fish everyday. As the day warmed I would fish the lure deeper and deeper on the edges of the bushes. There is nothing like watching a bass come out of the center of a bush and inhale your spinnerbait. FUN!!!
Remember that fishing is the last remaining vehicle for the masses to stay connected to the great outdoors. Nature is a great teacher. Bass Pro Shops is promoting taking a kid, a friend, a family member, or neighbor fishing this week.


Later last night he made a follow up post:

Clunn-
I have been getting a lot of questions about the availability of the Trickster spinnerbaits with the Long Drop blades. Luck-E-Strike has purchased the Norman Lure factory in Arkansas and are in the process of returning to manufacture several of our crankbaits in the U.S. The same is true with the Trickster Spinnerbaits. I am also making a few small upgrades to them. You can put in early orders for them through Tackle Warehouse. I recommend the 1/2+ Tricksters with the #3 1/2 Long Drop Blade and the 3/4+ Trickster with the #4 1/2 Long Drop blade. Shad colors. Thanks for your interest and patience.



Thanks for posting that Mike.



Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Diezel_Rocker] #11672434 06/17/16 02:56 AM
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Thanks Ken, I thought it was interesting especially when coupled with his theory of water displacement/lateral line perception of a lure. Fished with him at Conroe in the early 80s and he fished a big bladed spinnerbait some that day. If he qualifies for the Classic will be a interesting to see how he attacks the lake with his extensive familiarity but without the hydrilla that was present when he was living there.

Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Diezel_Rocker] #11672466 06/17/16 03:11 AM
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It seems like a genius in this thread already mentioned Elroy Kreuger. This lost art Clunn is talking about is not that lost, I've read several books about changing to bigger blades. Might have been Roland Martins book or KVD's book, I don't recall exactly. It seems people are just too lazy to take the time to experiment or maybe there's just better lures to throw now a days.

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Originally Posted By: MDM
Thanks Ken, I thought it was interesting especially when coupled with his theory of water displacement/lateral line perception of a lure. Fished with him at Conroe in the early 80s and he fished a big bladed spinnerbait some that day. If he qualifies for the Classic will be a interesting to see how he attacks the lake with his extensive familiarity but without the hydrilla that was present when he was living there.


I attended a seminar by him once and he was talking about finding fish versus catching fish. He mentioned several guys that were better "mechanically" than him at catching them. He said that as far as finding the fish, "Nobody was better than him" He did not say it in a boasting manner, just very matter of fact.

He had just won his 4th Bass Master Classic so nobody was challenging. laugh



Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Diezel_Rocker] #11672884 06/17/16 01:51 PM
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My opinion is whatever comes out of that mans mouth anyone who fishes should probably listen to! I know I always have and so do most people who love the sport and have seen the growth and progress its made in the last 30 years. He was KVD's hero and I'm sure still is and what he does at 70 yrs old is absolutely amazing physically and mentally! Have I always been a big fan? Not really! But I have always respected him and what he has done! Him being different doesn't mean people should run him down or judge him for his lifestyle! Just remember next time ur out fishing with ur fancy electronics and ur fancy boats with all the gadgets and fishing for just fun or for thousands of dollars on a regular basis that like it ur not the equipment and knowledge about fishing would not be what it is today without tournaments and the exposure that has been brought to fishing! Clunn didn't invent all of it but he learned it from experience and from anyone he could gain knowledge from and brought it to all of us thru his amazing success! And he is respectful enough to acknowledge those people! He taught a generation an art to finding and catching bass who in turn has taught another generation and that is how the sport has evolved! And if u don't like him asking u not to talk while ur following him around the lake in a tournament that he trying to win then QUIT following him and learning from watching him! Very simple!

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My opinion is whatever comes out of that mans mouth anyone who fishes should probably listen to! I know I always have and so do most people who love the sport and have seen the growth and progress its made in the last 30 years. He was KVD's hero and I'm sure still is and what he does at 70 yrs old is absolutely amazing physically and mentally! Have I always been a big fan? Not really! But I have always respected him and what he has done! Him being different doesn't mean people should run him down or judge him for his lifestyle! Just remember next time ur out fishing with ur fancy electronics and ur fancy boats with all the gadgets and fishing for just fun or for thousands of dollars on a regular basis that like it ur not the equipment and knowledge about fishing would not be what it is today without tournaments and the exposure that has been brought to fishing! Clunn didn't invent all of it but he learned it from experience and from anyone he could gain knowledge from and brought it to all of us thru his amazing success! And he is respectful enough to acknowledge those people! He taught a generation an art to finding and catching bass who in turn has taught another generation and that is how the sport has evolved! And if u don't like him asking u not to talk while ur following him around the lake in a tournament that he trying to win then QUIT following him and learning from watching him! Very simple!


Im sorry, but I didn't see you there that morning to know how loud we were talking. It was dead calm so even toned down conversation carries.

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If u woulda just been out fishing and ran into him he wouldn't have told u to quit talking! U weren't! U were intentionally following him so if u cant't do what the man asks then go find something else to do or quit whining!!

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Giving away my spinnerbait secret. Horse hair bucktails. Not telling where I tie them, length or color combinations though. You'll have to figure that out on your own. Been working for me for years as a go to bait when all else fails.


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I have been getting a lot of questions about the availability of the Trickster spinnerbaits with the Long Drop blades. Luck-E-Strike has purchased the Norman Lure factory in Arkansas and are in the process of returning to manufacture several of our crankbaits in the U.S. The same is true with the Trickster Spinnerbaits. I am also making a few small upgrades to them. You can put in early orders for them through Tackle Warehouse. I recommend the 1/2+ Tricksters with the #3 1/2 Long Drop Blade and the 3/4+ Trickster with the #4 1/2 Long Drop blade. Shad colors. Thanks for your interest and patience.

above not true yet-----Tackle Warehouse won't take order til-----

Re: Rick Clunn "todays pros don't know how to fish spinnerbaits" [Re: Diezel_Rocker] #11681253 06/22/16 02:49 AM
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Here is a video posted yesterday. Clunn talking spinnerbaits.. check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYmcnJsp6DU

1.35 in video "We don't really have any good spinnerbait fisherman left that I recognize".

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Seems like a lot of drama was made out of of nothing, the guy has a valid point.

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