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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 10:31 AM
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hopalong
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I was going by your photos showing your lights. You did not have any all-around light activated in those. I was reading the past with photos, and it did not have a description about the all-around pole light that I recall.
No light may interfere with a legally required light. If that was a white light up by the bow (near the red/green that may not have been on) it would be a violation. It would be so bright and close to the red/green to make them harder to see. my boat as it is, bow lights and I also have an led adjustable pole light for the stern, please don't try to tell me the bulb is illegal. anchor lights
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 10:54 AM
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nate king
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Do the LED strips not hinder your vision at night a little while your running? as I posted above, please pay attn. Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting [Re: nate king] hopalong Online content Super Freak Registered: 09/06/08 Posts: 71157 Loc: formerly of guthrie oklahoma my boat as it is, bow lights and I also have an led adjustable pole light for the stern, please don't try to tell me the bulb is illegal. I do not have the rub rail lights on while running, strictly at anchor/trolling motor fishing. that question was intended for people in general, not just for you, so get off your high hoarse, and in no way do i think you run those damn bright white lights while you are running, i was talking about people with the bright red and green ones on the front. Again just a general question for everyone, not just the all mighty hopalong
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 10:58 AM
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nate king
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Please dont quote me NAV Rules that i have already posted on here several times. I passed my NAV RULES test, i dont need them red to me, i have the book. If you have a long pole light thats great! But your bow lights do not meet the degree angle required!
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 02:30 PM
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lamoon78
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I was going by your photos showing your lights. You did not have any all-around light activated in those. I was reading the past with photos, and it did not have a description about the all-around pole light that I recall.
No light may interfere with a legally required light. If that was a white light up by the bow (near the red/green that may not have been on) it would be a violation. It would be so bright and close to the red/green to make them harder to see. my boat as it is, bow lights and I also have an led adjustable pole light for the stern, please don't try to tell me the bulb is illegal. anchor lights Hate to say it but if those white lights are so bright that one cant see your all around white anchor light then yes those are not legal either bud.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 02:56 PM
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The USCG is very stern on the regulations that apply to recreational and commercial boats. They have no variance in opinion. All lights approved by the USCG will have a stamp, molded notation or mark on them that they are USCG approved and meet the regulations. We are not aware of any rub rail lights that meet the present standards and have been approved as required. There are some boat manufacturers which are placing lights where they do not meet USCG 270 degree guidelines, though the lights themselves are approved.
Public use Stern lights made prior to 1985 are allowed to be below one meter above the bow light legally, if they are still the original equipment. Which most officers are unaware of. Lights made after August of 1985 (memory?) must be above one meter above the bow light at a resting position. Which is where those 54" light posts came from. There is a lot more to meeting regulations, though this is a quick summary.
The Perko Stealth bow light we had built by Perko is an approved light. Many manufacturers now also use this light and it is a very nice part USA made. The question of legality has come from one officer (this was 1 mans opinon) out of East Texas (TP&W) before. The location and light are approved as installed and the boats have been reviewed by USCG staff. The USCG standards are way larger than one officer in one county of Texas or Arkansas sharing their opinion. Situations in these states involving 2 officers had been addressed with USCG. One involving the Stealth light and another involving Pontoon boat lighting. Both opinions are not within USCG regulatory requirements.
USCG standards are important that they are met with no conflicting coloring in lighting and use of approved light fixtures. The one accident that involves improper lighting place you in a position of liability. The bottom line is that many after market lights are not approved no matter what they appear like or how bright they are.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 03:00 PM
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The USCG is also very aware of light that shines exterior of the boat which is cosmetic lighting. Some of the present interior light kits are a major concern for them and they have been discussed during their in plant inspections.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 05:37 PM
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The USCG is also very aware of light that shines exterior of the boat which is cosmetic lighting. Some of the present interior light kits are a major concern for them and they have been discussed during their in plant inspections. Eventually will become illegal to use once you leave ramp Im sure. All these non approved lights are dangerous and most have no idea why.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 06:08 PM
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grout-scout
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Good read here. I've always wondered why my white 360 light was so dang tall. I didn't realize there was a 3 meter rule there.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 09:18 PM
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BThomas
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Nathan, I posted the Marine Alert back in November of 2015. Some appreciated it, some did not like it. You are wasting your time. Some of the people on the TFF know everything didn't you know that.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/04/16 09:55 PM
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txmasterpo
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Those white lights on Hop's boat are for "at anchor"
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/05/16 09:55 AM
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hopalong
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I was going by your photos showing your lights. You did not have any all-around light activated in those. I was reading the past with photos, and it did not have a description about the all-around pole light that I recall.
No light may interfere with a legally required light. If that was a white light up by the bow (near the red/green that may not have been on) it would be a violation. It would be so bright and close to the red/green to make them harder to see. Those are on both sides, reread the Reg for at anchor then show me where those are illegal. my boat as it is, bow lights and I also have an led adjustable pole light for the stern, please don't try to tell me the bulb is illegal. anchor lights Hate to say it but if those white lights are so bright that one cant see your all around white anchor light then yes those are not legal either bud.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/05/16 10:06 AM
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hopalong
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Nathan, I posted the Marine Alert back in November of 2015. Some appreciated it, some did not like it. You are wasting your time. Some of the people on the TFF know everything didn't you know that. Open mouth insert foot. Have you even read the TX Reg as written? Find me someone that has been ticketed for led rubrail lights. If they meet visibility requirements (mine exceed this) I promise you I will beat a ticket in court. Now here is a kicker for all of ya, my boat is an 82 champion. Figure that part out.
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/06/16 01:59 PM
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Hog Jaw
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I have a dumb question , why the modified , additional lighting on a bass boat .
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Re: Coast Guard's take on lighting
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06/06/16 04:12 PM
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hopalong
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I have a dumb question , why the modified , additional lighting on a bass boat . because when you launch for a tournament you normally are out before sunrise or right at sunrise, even at dusk for night tournaments. added visibility is a major good thing with the morons you find on the water. I have lost count of the boats I have almost hit at night due to them not having any lights on and anchored fishing, darwin will catch up to them eventually. I want to be seen for as far as you can see me, I don't run on plane if I can't see at least 100 yds ahead of me, you would be amazed how much reflection I get on the buoys in the fork boatlanes when it is dark. my anchor lights (led on exterior) let you see me from plenty far back, I can see about 50 yds when fishing in coves and stumps are much easier to avoid or fish. mine are not just bling, they were installed for a purpose.
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