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#11589392 - 05/08/16 12:09 AM Another cheating scenario?
John Peebles Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Seabrook
Clausen post got me thinking about a situation a buddy told me about a few years ago.

Buddy was fishing a pro/am and leading after day one. On the second day, he had four fish when he came to a log across the creek. He threw over the log, and hooked a fish. As he got it to the log his co-angler stepped out onto the log with both feet and netted the fish before my buddy knew what was going on. Buddy kept the fish, and it was the last one he caught that day, he ended up winning the tournament and 10k by about a pound. Bad part about the whole deal was there was a rule in the books stating no angler my get out of the boat for any reason, which he knew about but did not say anything. He said he still feels guilty about not saying anything, but was not going to let someone else cost him 10k over something he had no control over.

Bad deal all the way around....if you say something you're probably gonna get DQ'ed, or at least lose the weight of your big fish, if you don't you're dishonest. Then what....do you sue the co-angler for 10k for not knowing the rules???
To those of you who fish pro/am's, you might want to start asking every co if they have read/understand the rules for every tourney you fish in the future, might save you some grief!

Fish Tight,

John


Edited by John Peebles (05/08/16 12:53 AM)

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#11589393 - 05/08/16 12:14 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
otay michael Offline
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that's a tough one.
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#11589396 - 05/08/16 12:18 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
Shawn Mead Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
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Loc: Crandall, TX.
Ouch. Personally, I would have released the fish and would have never known what could have been. It's the right thing to do.
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#11589402 - 05/08/16 12:31 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
BThomas Offline
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Registered: 02/15/09
Posts: 7057
Loc: Rockwall,Tx
Your Buddy should have said something. He cheated plain and simple.

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#11589447 - 05/08/16 06:23 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
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Registered: 07/19/12
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Loc: La Grange,TX
Sounds like a pumpkin eater to me!!

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#11589448 - 05/08/16 06:29 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
fitter2259 Offline
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Loc: Humble, Texas
Sue the Co? Seriously? Wouldn't you be responsible for what goes on in your boat?
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#11589453 - 05/08/16 06:42 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
Lee in Texas Offline
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Registered: 03/23/13
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Not a tourney fisherman but, I don't think the rule prohibiting getting out of the boat for any reason had something like that in mind.
I would not have ruled that illegal... (the OP's story about stepping out on to a log to net a fish)
JMO ...
God Bless


Edited by Lee in Texas (05/08/16 06:43 AM)
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#11589466 - 05/08/16 07:11 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Not a tourney fisherman but, I don't think the rule prohibiting getting out of the boat for any reason had something like that in mind.
I would not have ruled that illegal... (the OP's story about stepping out on to a log to net a fish)
JMO ...
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Actually Lee, that's exactly one of the things they had in mind when they wrote the rule, getting out of the boat to fish or land a fish.

As to the original post, “Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”

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#11589486 - 05/08/16 07:38 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
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If the rule was specifically no one could go outside of the boat then the fish should have gone back. It wasn't within the rules. Plain and simple.
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#11589504 - 05/08/16 07:50 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
timwins31 Offline
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Registered: 02/04/11
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Learning to play golf at a young age is good for people. Most of the time, when you break the rules, it's just you out there, you're the only one who knows. But you still have to mark it on the card and take your penalties. . .even if no one else is looking.

It breeds a good mentality. I couldn't have kept that fish. If I know it's wrong then I'm just not gonna do it. I wouldn't want to end up like your buddy and regretting it forever. . .it's just better in the long run to do what you know is right.


Edited by timwins31 (05/08/16 07:50 AM)

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#11589509 - 05/08/16 07:54 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
Lee in Texas Offline
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Ok, OP stated the angler got out of the boat with both feet. I guess strictly speaking, that was a clear violation of the rules.
Kind of a dumb rule though.
Say you catch a fish, same situation, fish is caught over a log. If you step out with one foot to land the fish.....is that to prohibited?
As I said, surely that wasn't what the club or ?? had in mind when the rule was put in place....or was it?
JMO
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#11589510 - 05/08/16 07:55 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
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I'd rather loose the 10K then live with any guilt about breaking a rule/cheating.

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#11589514 - 05/08/16 07:56 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Ok, OP stated the angler got out of the boat with both feet. I guess strictly speaking, that was a clear violation of the rules.
Kind of a dumb rule though.
Say you catch a fish, same situation, fish is caught over a log. If you step out with one foot to land the fish.....is that to prohibited?
As I said, surely that wasn't what the club or ?? had in mind when the rule was put in place....or was it?
JMO
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Yes that rule is in every big tournament for this very reason. The intention of the rule is for this VERY scenario.

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#11589553 - 05/08/16 08:31 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: John Peebles]
Hobbs McAvoy Offline
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Registered: 03/10/09
Posts: 274
Loc: Bullard, TX
So in this situation is the coangler DQ'd and the pro allowed to continue if he released the fish that was caught by breaking the rules or are they both DQ'd?

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#11589561 - 05/08/16 08:35 AM Re: Another cheating scenario? [Re: Lee in Texas]
Rickmb Offline
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Registered: 07/07/12
Posts: 699
Loc: San Antonio
Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Ok, OP stated the angler got out of the boat with both feet. I guess strictly speaking, that was a clear violation of the rules.
Kind of a dumb rule though.
Say you catch a fish, same situation, fish is caught over a log. If you step out with one foot to land the fish.....is that to prohibited?
As I said, surely that wasn't what the club or ?? had in mind when the rule was put in place....or was it?
JMO
God Bless

Stepping out with one foot is allowed. The intent of the rule is to keep people in the boat. Otherwise folks to get out and fish from the bank or tie up, get out, and fish a marina or dock. I get what you are saying and it seems harmless to land a fish but if the rules are not black and white then people will find more ways to interpret them.
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