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#11507697 - 03/28/16 11:17 PM Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring
Mckinneycrappiecatcher Offline
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Registered: 12/20/10
Posts: 3168
Loc: mckinney, tx
I am toying with the idea of lobbying for a law to outlaw cast netting in creeks from the months of February through May to protect game fish from illegal harvest by cast netters during the spring. As many of y'all may know cast netters can wipe out creeks this time of year especially in the smaller creeks. I believe making cast netting illegal from February through May on tributary creeks would cut through the guess work of whether or not someone is taking game fish or bait and in the long run would help protect our fisheries. I tried to post a poll but I couldn't figure out how to do it correctly so I'll just ask the bank fishing community about their opinion. Thank you, Nick.
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#11508031 - 03/29/16 08:13 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
MrWhite87 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/11
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Loc: Arlington
I dont agree with this, because MOST folks arent harvesting illegally. MOST folks using a net are catching their bait. I know I have taken my net with me a few times, so i can have fresh, local bait for an idle cat rod while actively fishing for sandies or crappie. I understand that there are folks out there that ARE illegally wiping out tons of game fish, but these folks are not anywhere near the majority of anglers using nets.
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#11508393 - 03/29/16 10:18 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: MrWhite87]
Mckinneycrappiecatcher Offline
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Registered: 12/20/10
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Loc: mckinney, tx
Originally Posted By: MrWhite87
I dont agree with this, because MOST folks arent harvesting illegally. MOST folks using a net are catching their bait. I know I have taken my net with me a few times, so i can have fresh, local bait for an idle cat rod while actively fishing for sandies or crappie. I understand that there are folks out there that ARE illegally wiping out tons of game fish, but these folks are not anywhere near the majority of anglers using nets.
thank you for your input


Edited by Mckinneycrappiecatcher (03/29/16 10:18 AM)

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#11508410 - 03/29/16 10:26 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
MrNovice Offline
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Registered: 02/16/16
Posts: 1996
It would be nice to just see more enforcement out on the creeks (but Game Wardens are in short supply, and I actually wonder if the police were called - could they hold an offender over till the Game warden arrived?), but I also know many people catch baitfish in the creeks to fish with as well. No problem with catching baitfish, so I doubt they'll pass something like what you're wanting to introduce. It's a catch 22.


Edited by MrNovice (03/29/16 10:27 AM)
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#11508553 - 03/29/16 11:22 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
Esnow74 Offline
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Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 244
Loc: North Texas
watched a fella last year throwing his cast net and keeping the crappie he caught in it. I called the warden but he could not get there in time. He did start making his presence known though and I haven't seen it since.

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#11508673 - 03/29/16 12:05 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
kdub#1 Offline
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One more law that we don't need. Game warden presence would help.
Making a law against cast netting in creeks during the spring is like outlawing driving after 9pm because some people choose to drive drunk and break the law.
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#11509082 - 03/29/16 03:03 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
mrdvant Offline
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Registered: 07/26/15
Posts: 95
I think, like most laws, it would only hurt the people who aren't breaking laws to begin with. The type of people who would do that aren't generally the type who would obey a law forbidding it anyway, and it would prevent responsible anglers from catching bait. It's already illegal to keep game fish caught in a cast net anyway.

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#11509094 - 03/29/16 03:09 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: kdub#1]
z7x374 Offline
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Registered: 10/20/13
Posts: 599
Originally Posted By: kdub#1
One more law that we don't need. Game warden presence would help.
Making a law against cast netting in creeks during the spring is like outlawing driving after 9pm because some people choose to drive drunk and break the law.


Yup.

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#11509341 - 03/29/16 04:41 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
fishin'aholic2 Offline
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Registered: 11/08/07
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I agree that simply a better game warden presence would be all that is needed.
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#11509628 - 03/29/16 07:12 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
BaffinBay Offline
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Registered: 02/09/09
Posts: 1404
Loc: Murphy, Tx
A police officer can write citations for fishing and hunting
They can enforce ALL laws
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#11510739 - 03/30/16 09:02 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: BaffinBay]
MrNovice Offline
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Registered: 02/16/16
Posts: 1996
Originally Posted By: BaffinBay
A police officer can write citations for fishing and hunting
They can enforce ALL laws


Would they respond to a game violation?
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#11511004 - 03/30/16 10:42 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: MrNovice]
TxPacker4 Offline
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Registered: 06/16/10
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Loc: Garland, Tx
Originally Posted By: MrNovice
Originally Posted By: BaffinBay
A police officer can write citations for fishing and hunting
They can enforce ALL laws


Would they respond to a game violation?
I have a buddy who is a police officer in Mabank on Cedar Creek, and says he's responded to fishing violations before. Though Mabank is much smaller than Garland/Rowlett, who really knows. It's worth a shot.
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#11511006 - 03/30/16 10:43 AM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
fishytx Offline
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 1799
I think those who use a cast net are spot on. Natural bait is the best bait to use, so throwing one of these or the use of any other type of method of capturing live bait lawfully is fine.
Now to talk about those who miss treat this tool and use it in a way to illegally harvest game fish. There will always be a few people in this world that will be wiling to gamble the risk of a fine and poach. In all reality, you can not punish honest people with a law that forbids them to net live bait to fish with just because there is a hand full of poachers out there. What an honest angler can do is, call the authorities on those who choose to break the law and report them. Let the authorities take it from there and handle it right. This year I did not call the 800 number once, how ever I did see a guy in the water with a frog gig at night with a bright light stabbing white bass. One of these days I may not be so lucky, but I chewed this guys rear end out and told him he had a choice to either get the heck out of dodge, or I would report him to the authorities. He packed up and left. But in the years past, I have walked away, dialed the number to report poaching and stayed there till they got there and pointed the poachers out. I sure have gotten a lot of guys busted. But my feelings towards these guys praying heavy on spawning fish just because they are sitting there and they are so easy to get, really gets my goat. I think it is wrong in so many ways and that‘s why there are written laws to protect this kind of stuff from happening. Make that simple phone call and report every poacher you see.

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#11511354 - 03/30/16 12:50 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
Mckinneycrappiecatcher Offline
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Registered: 12/20/10
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Loc: mckinney, tx
I too have used a cast net to legally catch bait, but on the creeks I have fished, the vast majority of the people I have seen castnetting seem to be illegally netting game fish, 1 in 10 might be legally netting bait. I just feel like it would be a regulation that would protect game fish when they are so concentrated in the creeks, it would simply remove any and all doubt, you have a cast net, you break the law.
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#11511447 - 03/30/16 01:30 PM Re: Opinions needed about cast netting in creeks in spring [Re: Mckinneycrappiecatcher]
Dunkky dude Offline
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Registered: 01/01/10
Posts: 1120
this is not as simple as it seems. In order to regulate this, one particular written law would not make any significant improvement. It has be a collective system with man power to enforce. To go over that, its a whole another discussion with more politics.

law enforcement cannot even keep up with all those illegal poachers. if they are there, they would not have any problem meeting their daily quotas in issuing tickets. smile illegal castnetters are mostly with no license to begin with. which means, if we have enough man power to control those with no license, then illegal castnetters are controlled by itself. So the fundamental problem is we don't have enough man power. and that comes from our tax money, etc, etc.. on and on....

bottomline, it's not a simple thing.

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