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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Techsan4]
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03/07/16 12:51 PM
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ezbassin
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Fish over 10lbs eat less often and prefer larger meals. Predatory instinct will cause them to eat smaller forage but in general, they target the big stuff. Gizzard shad, perch, crappie, small bass, etc You say this like it is a certainty. Do you have any data or other type of solid proof to support your claim? I understand the logic, a fish wants to consume as many calories as it can while expending as few as possible. Eating one big thing takes a lot less energy than eating 20 small things. However, if you don't have any data to support your claim, it is purely conjecture. Where is your data to disprove what Jaret is saying is not the truth. You did not provide any so your negativity is pure conjecture. Bass behavior, movements, seasonal habits and feeding habits, etc, have been studied for many years now, did you not know that? You need to do some more research before you start typing on here making yourself look silly with your comments.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 05:00 PM
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Techsan4
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ezbassin -
Please point out to me where I said his statements were untrue, and/or any "negativity" you see. I simply asked if he had any data to back up his claims. I never once said he was right or wrong.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: NjTexan]
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03/07/16 05:06 PM
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Techsan4
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Wait...you want someone to actually do their own research instead of just typing " I hope you have data to back up your claims "
Interesting concept. Nobody would have to do any research if he would substantiate his claims. That's my whole point!
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 05:19 PM
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Mark Perry
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I think they are trying to say Jarret's results are his research. Results speak louder than anything for me. Research is often flawed or biased as well. I trust his results and other guys that are big bass guys.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
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03/07/16 07:54 PM
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Lil' Louie
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A number of the SALs have been caught by crappie fishermen on crappie gear. . .light line and tiny jigs mostly. . .there is definitely something to using a VERY discreet bait to not spook a big girl. Very well may be the case yet on the end of that light line with a tiny jig were also a 10-12 inch crappie the SAL was interested in eating for his meal O the day....
PB 12.88lbs, Lake Fork 3-17-2013 8:45 a.m.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Techsan4]
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03/07/16 08:17 PM
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Lil' Louie
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ezbassin -
Please point out to me where I said his statements were untrue, and/or any "negativity" you see. I simply asked if he had any data to back up his claims. I never once said he was right or wrong. You say this like it is a certainty. That sentence alone tells me and several others on here you are claiming his statement isn't a true one or factual in nature. Could be seen as negative for sure.Do you have any data or other type of solid proof to support your claim? I understand the logic, a fish wants to consume as many calories as it can while expending as few as possible. Eating one big thing takes a lot less energy than eating 20 small things. In other words, since my first sentence called you out for being so certain of yourself I will now ask for data and/or proof from you to back up your statement further showing your whole comment started off in a negative manner. However, you then go on to agree with his statement by understanding the logic, consuming the most calories without burning (Big Fish, Big meal, nap time) leaving us really confused.However, if you don't have any data to support your claim, it is purely conjecture. Lastly you state, quite certainly yourself, that without any data or proof to his statement, it is merely his opinion vs a factual statement. Another negative comment.
Sure you never said he was right or wrong. What I gathered your comment was, "You seem to be very confident in your statement but without providing evidence to back up your statement you can't have an opinion about feeding habits of the largemouth bass species" A supervisor once told me "It's not always the message, it's the presentation and the way it was received."
PB 12.88lbs, Lake Fork 3-17-2013 8:45 a.m.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Techsan4]
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03/07/16 08:26 PM
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ezbassin
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Fish over 10lbs eat less often and prefer larger meals. Predatory instinct will cause them to eat smaller forage but in general, they target the big stuff. Gizzard shad, perch, crappie, small bass, etc You say this like it is a certainty. Do you have any data or other type of solid proof to support your claim? However, if you don't have any data to support your claim, it is purely conjecture. Jaret's proof is his history of big fish and time on the water. His "data" to support his claim are pictures of large fish. Just because he did not post pictures of every big fish he has caught doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about. How big is your biggest bass? Actual weight, not an estimate based on pixel count from a picture someone took of it.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Techsan4]
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03/07/16 08:58 PM
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A number of the SALs have been caught by crappie fishermen on crappie gear. . .light line and tiny jigs mostly. . .there is definitely something to using a VERY discreet bait to not spook a big girl. I've never heard of a single crappie fisherman catching a big bass on a tiny jig. Like Louie already said, a crappie eats the jig and as it is drug out of a brush pile, the biggun eats the crappie. This sure seems to support what Jaret is saying. You say this like it is a certainty. Do you have any data or other type of solid proof to support your claim? I understand the logic, a fish wants to consume as many calories as it can while expending as few as possible. Eating one big thing takes a lot less energy than eating 20 small things. However, if you don't have any data to support your claim, it is purely conjecture. You are right, cat daddy. Jaret is just speaking foolishness. Keep dragging that 4" trick worm around.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 09:28 PM
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ezbassin
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Ask the California anglers why they throw 8-12 inch or larger swim baits instead of 2 inch beetle spins...Ask them to show you the pictures for proof, or go to youtube and see for yourself if big baits work on big fish. Is that "data" enough for you?
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 09:32 PM
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Huckleberry
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I catch a lot of big bass on bed with a cinder block. If you hit them just right, they will come back to life after a few minutes in the livewell.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 09:34 PM
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ezbassin
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Is that a residential or commercial grade cinder block?
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 09:43 PM
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I've caught 2 DDs on baits smaller than 4 inches--without a crappie grabbing hold prior.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
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03/07/16 09:47 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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I've caught 2 DDs on baits smaller than 4 inches--without a crappie grabbing hold prior. Nobody is debating whether a fish will strike out of reaction. Lots of big fish get caught this way. A fish doesn't grow to 10+ targeting small forage. A big fish doesn't hang around a crappie pile waiting on your crappie jig. She's there for crappie and reacts to your jig. Pretty simple
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 09:58 PM
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I've never heard of a single crappie fisherman catching a big bass on a tiny jig. Like Louie already said, a crappie eats the jig and as it is drug out of a brush pile, the biggun eats the crappie. This sure seems to support what Jaret is saying. I was responding to this statement from Willie. That's all. I don't know if a large bass is more likely to eat a large offering over a small one, but I know that given the opportunity, they will eat a small offering.
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Re: Big bait/big fish???
[Re: Ryan Wags]
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03/07/16 10:03 PM
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swalker9513
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All I do is finesse fish. I rarely throw anything over 5 inches. It's how I enjoy fishing. I don't know if my catch size would increase with bait size or not, but I've caught a bunch of quality fish with 4 inch worms on spinning tackle. I'm not trying to cash checks, just enjoy fishing--so I don't see any reason to do it differently.
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