Do explain.

Next you'll tell us dodge is getting great mpg after putting on emissions. They lost all there advantage as soon as they had to start emissions. 2004 was t even a emission vechile year,ford did out out there willing to help our world. emissions wasnt a federal law till 2008. Same year dodge lost all there mpg. Wonder why that happened?

Dodge started using cats in 2004. My neighbor had his cut out in his 2005. ULSD started coming out in late 2004 and by 2006 that was about all you could find.
Both the common rail Dodge and the Ford 6.0 came within months of each other.
The Dodge 5.9 had always been known to get better fuel mileage than the Ford or Chevy and after 18 years of that motor they made it larger by making the 6.7. Ford had by then had 3 motors and was in the process of putting their forth new engine size to work for them. Chevy the same with the 5.7 disaster, 6.2, 6.5 before their 6.6 Duramax.

I'm guessing you are trying to say the EPA was the reason the Dodge got worse mileage. Maybe by a little but the same happened to the Ford at the same time so theirs shrunk too. The Dodge went to the 6.7 mid year 2007 but if you compare the 5.9 to the 6.9, 7.3, 6.4 or 6.7 Ford the Dodge won that contest all the time.

Here is a little about EPA light duty diesels which which started Jan 1, 2003 and was not enforced until starting in 2004.
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2005/plenary/2005_deer_charmley.pdf

I was around to hear the complaints about the people having their trucks reflashed in 2003, you? Its not something I made up. Nor was the enormous amount of buybacks that Ford had to do. Thats part of the legacy of the 6.0. Sorry, not my fault.


Here is how you work on a 6.0 since we're insulting each other. I remember on the Dodge site they posted a pic of a full bay of Fords with the cabs taken off doing engine replacements from the crankcase filling with oil after their injectors leaked, "making oil".

I little bit of black majic with your numbers and so called emissions. A cat isn't only emissions. Ford put egr cooler in 4 years before dodge. Now that's emissions.thats one of the things that gave them trouble Sure they had problems. Guess everyone got to learn from them. . Every car had a cat for a very long time. I've owned both dodge and ford. I even worked at the dodge truck plant in Michigan. After awhile I wouldn't even use there employee discount to buy trucks I'd just go get a ford. Dodge has more computer problems and steering problems then you'll ever talk about. You get a computer problem has to goto dealer so they can send a satellite signal to Detroit and have the new one programmed by Detroit. Can't even be done at the dealer. Just the truck sits there. As for the cab having to come of so what. I did it in a hour and a half first time. Big deal. It's called a design advantage in some ways. It's not like ford thought they were gonna have to take it off. They did that so the cab room would be bigger. Every ford is like a mega cab. A dodge quad cab was more like a Chevy extended cab. I'm not trying to insult you. But your trying to make out like the dodge is best when really the motor is only thing descent rest of truck is junk. And that what dodge makes. The motor is built by cummins. My 7.3 got way better mog then my 5.9. Ive had 4 dodges and 4 fords. My last dodge broke a center link while towing a 40 ft 5th wheel. Almost killed me. Dealer had one in stock since they go out all the time.

A cat is only for emissions if thats what you're trying not to say. Ford put an EGR to meet emissions but the Dodge got the same result without it. They also went to urea later than both Ford and Chevy but only because they could.

I would not have said a thing except that you were trying to say the 6.0 was somehow a benevolent piece of work Ford did. It was not. Dodge and Chevy both owe a bunch to the 6.0 for their sales. The 6.0 was a disaster.

As far as mpg, whatever. Go to fuelly and make a comparison. I've only owned my Dodge but if your Ford can get over 22 mpg @ 70 mph its better than mine. My experience is that Fords only claim to get better. They rarely do.


PS. I can take off my cab. I just don't need to. Calling it a design advantage? Pure Ford talk.

I'd take a 5.9 cummins over a 7.3 ford, deleted 6.0, D-max, or any of the current production vehicles assuming good maintenance on the 5.9.

Everyone was chasing the 5.9 on fuel mileage and I don't think any ever caught em.

Oh and I have read that on my ecodiesel that they have to pull the cab to do some work maybe replace motor etc. also... that sucks.