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#11397650 - 02/07/16 07:57 AM Getting on Plane Faster ..
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My 17 1/2' rig w/90HP Johnson does not exactly get up and on plane as fast as I would like
Do these 'add on' fins that attach to the motor really help or just a 'gimmick' ??
Thanks in advance
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Lee


Edited by Lee in Texas (02/08/16 03:28 AM)
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#11397725 - 02/07/16 08:30 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Deal or Dud ??

Something 'like' this...???



thanks in advance
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Edited by Lee in Texas (02/07/16 08:32 AM)
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#11397772 - 02/07/16 08:56 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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I have one. It works, but damn is it goofy looking. It does help though. It also helps keep the boat bow up when trimming up the boat to deal with rougher water without causing excessive porpoising (sp).

Put it this way. I broke mine in a tourney backed into a stump. I immidiately noticed it. I took off the part that was still attached that afternoon. Next day went out on the water. Third day, bought another one. That much difference for my boat/motor combo.
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#11397783 - 02/07/16 08:59 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Thanks Steez....good to know. So 'deal', right ?

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#11397818 - 02/07/16 09:17 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Most of the time the foils are bandaids for a bad setup.
What exactly are you running? Hull, motor, prop..
What exactly are your current results? Top speed, rpms, and exactly how slow is your holeshot?
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#11397826 - 02/07/16 09:20 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Look into venting the prop if it's a 2 stroke.
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#11397864 - 02/07/16 09:41 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Aw man, lot of tough questions. Ok here goes:
90 HP Johnson
Stratos 2004 PRO 275 XL bass rig (?? shallow hull)
prop: ah, had it changed to 27 ?? I think, LOL man that was last year
rpms: ah, about 5,000 wide open....boat will top out at about 44 mph according to my Hummingbird
How slow: ? ah well, takes sometimes 2 to 4 minutes to get on plane...
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#11397870 - 02/07/16 09:43 AM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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no way a 27 pitch! 2 to 4 minutes ....[censored]! I'm 6 miles down the lake by then!


Edited by Huckleberry (02/07/16 09:44 AM)

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#11398185 - 02/07/16 12:38 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Aw man, lot of tough questions. Ok here goes:
90 HP Johnson
Stratos 2004 PRO 275 XL bass rig (?? shallow hull)
prop: ah, had it changed to 27 ?? I think, LOL man that was last year
rpms: ah, about 5,000 wide open....boat will top out at about 44 mph according to my Hummingbird
How slow: ? ah well, takes sometimes 2 to 4 minutes to get on plane...


Lee,

You can't give us a guess at a prop. You need to know exactly what you have (including the model name such as "Raker" etc.). We also need to know what the prop shop did to it. I can't run a 27 on my 201 with a 200, so I serious doubt a 27 is right for your boat, if that's what's on there. That's why you are only turning 5000 rpm. What is the max. for your outboard? You need to know this and set the prop so that you get right up against the limit.

The prop will be stamped inside the hub at the front - if you don't have the box.

We also need to know the engine height relationship between propshaft and the bottom of the pad. There are diagrams showing how to measure this. Pat Golf is your chance to sort our what the boat's issue is. Do you have one or two Talons? 8 ft.? Has anyone in another boat confirmed you aren't dragging a Talon during hole shot?


Edited by Flippin-Out (02/07/16 12:39 PM)

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#11398189 - 02/07/16 12:40 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Ok pards.
You need at least a 3" smaller prop. Which will put your rpms where you need them and your holeshot will be dramatically better. That's proper setup.

Look at your prop again it's not a 27.
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#11398318 - 02/07/16 02:11 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Flippin-Out]
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Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Aw man, lot of tough questions. Ok here goes:
90 HP Johnson
Stratos 2004 PRO 275 XL bass rig (?? shallow hull)
prop: ah, had it changed to 27 ?? I think, LOL man that was last year
rpms: ah, about 5,000 wide open....boat will top out at about 44 mph according to my Hummingbird
How slow: ? ah well, takes sometimes 2 to 4 minutes to get on plane...


Lee,

You can't give us a guess at a prop. You need to know exactly what you have (including the model name such as "Raker" etc.). We also need to know what the prop shop did to it. I can't run a 27 on my 201 with a 200, so I serious doubt a 27 is right for your boat, if that's what's on there. That's why you are only turning 5000 rpm. What is the max. for your outboard? You need to know this and set the prop so that you get right up against the limit.

The prop will be stamped inside the hub at the front - if you don't have the box.

We also need to know the engine height relationship between propshaft and the bottom of the pad. There are diagrams showing how to measure this. Pat Golf is your chance to sort our what the boat's issue is. Do you have one or two Talons? 8 ft.? Has anyone in another boat confirmed you aren't dragging a Talon during hole shot?


I believe it is stamped on the prop, I'll look. I don't recall seeing a mfg name on it...but again, I'll look
No sir, have one 12' Talon....LOL, if it were not for the danged ladder, I would have bought and installed two but, I had to make a decision. The ladder won
roflmao I'd like to know I can get back in the boat if I ever were to fall in the danged water.
Here's a picture

Finally after being on the danged phone with Apple, learned how to adjust the size on the photos. Lord, something so simple in Windows is kinda hard in an iMAC
Thanks....
God Bless
Lee
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#11398417 - 02/07/16 03:13 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Originally Posted By: Lee in Texas
Aw man, lot of tough questions. Ok here goes:
90 HP Johnson
Stratos 2004 PRO 275 XL bass rig (?? shallow hull)
prop: ah, had it changed to 27 ?? I think, LOL man that was last year

UPDATE: On the prop is #394758 / 13 1/2 x 18
(looking it up on internet - Raker family / Stainless steel/ 3 blade/ standard rotation and Pitch is 18")

Now, if memory serves me, B&B resized the pitch to 17" and enlarged the vent hole, Raker - Johnson/Evinrude/OMC

rpms: ah, about 5,000 wide open....boat will top out at about 44 mph according to my Hummingbird
How slow: ? ah well, takes sometimes 2 to 4 minutes to get on plane...

Ok, sorry about not having ALL the right information.
It is now up to date....
Opinions ????

God Bless
Lee
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#11398802 - 02/07/16 06:25 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
TLW Online   content
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you don't have enough motor!

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#11398939 - 02/07/16 07:10 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
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Registered: 02/25/15
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Loc: Magnolia, TX
Thanks for the detailed info. Let's wait for Pat to drop by again since replacing the engine is not where you wanted to go!

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#11398995 - 02/07/16 07:30 PM Re: Getting on Plan Faster .. [Re: Lee in Texas]
TLW Online   content
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Loc: ft worth
no jack plate?.. lotta weight... smaller prop that will ventilate a little might help.. little motor don't have a chance ta turn up like it needs to ta make horse power.....jmo.

Cal should know... he's very good with omc's.


Edited by TLW (02/07/16 07:32 PM)

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