Doesnt matter what technique your using. Once he's hooked and gets into heavy vegetation your rod better be strong enough to get him out. I think that's what he was getting at.

Mark Perry, i just looked at that 8' levante megabass rod and that sucker looks awsome. I'm glad you brought that rod into the conversation because I've never heard of it. I would consider buying one especially at 200$. I've always thought a 954 imx flip punch rod would be a happy medium. Enough tip to throw swimbaits or a rigs, but heavy enough rod to put 25 flouro or 50-65lb braid on and lean on them.

I use a 7'3 mh with braid and have lost every few flipping and pitching fish ever. Now if your flipping mates that are so thick you have to use a 2oz weight then you will have to beef up your rod and line. Just like you would if you were throwing a 3oz swimbait like would you really try to throw it on a medium light casting rid with 10lb line? Gotta stop over thinking it.

I'm sorry I did not explain myself better. When I said " (leverage to get around objects)". Sorry you had to correct my comment.

Andrew take it easy bud you were throwing a swim jig on 10lb mono on Sam Rayburn bud maybe you can learn from this thread! Do whatever catches fish and don't let them break you off.

Some people must not understand basics physics and a fulcrum point
Little alone the compounded forces of an loaded/tensions compound arc leverage of a modern composite rod

Or some people are not man enough to handle a big pole.

Honestly I can care less. I know what I've done. I know what works when you get 7+ pound fish in 10' deep willow trees. By having the fulcrum close to me, the tip of the rod moves more. I can achieve a faster tip speed while taking up more slack. I can handle a 8' Rod because of my size. Strength pulling is not an issue

But I'll give it to y'all. You butchered my comment with a physics book. I was wrong. I need a 6' spinning reel.

I flip with a 7'6" heavy or med heavy rod. Extra fast tip

When I set the hook I want the fish to move towards me and out of the junk The longer for moves more line and gets them going in the right direction

Not sure I know what to think about this....especially from a guy that's 6'6"

Only 6'6"? I remember my sophmore year

All that matters is if they get to the boat.

That and tournament results...

BS!! None of that matters. Being in a shiny boat with a jersey on is what really matters!

A flat bill hat along with some sponsor shorts!

To go with that flat bill....Don't forget the sponsor boxers decorated with brand logos in the rear - for when those sponsor shorts sag....

I do believe that it is up to the individual to find what works best for him.. If you are loosing a lot of fish because you could not move the fish out of the cover, whatever it may be, before he knitted you a blanket down there then you need more stick.. And more line probably..

That being said, it is all about matching your equipment to the conditions.. And I won't get in a one rod is better than another discussion with you.. But you do need some quality equipment if you expect it to get the job done and hold up for a lifetime or for a long time..

I am no expert on mat fishing.. But I know a little about heavy brush fishing.. And a few years ago down here on Falcon if you were fishing with anything that had MH on it you were not gonna get it done..

It was probably Falcon that got a lot of this super heavy equipment to the forefront in manufacturers minds for a few years.

But truthfully on most lakes that stuff is overkill..

But I will tell you this.. If you plan on coming to Falcon in the next two years, don't put that beast of a rod in the yard sale pile just yet.. You're gonna need it..

Did not mean to turn this into a Falcon post.. But I do believe fishing Falcon in the heavy cover had some influence on a lot of rod manufacturers.. And I know for a fact it had influence on a few..