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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: COWBOYSFAN008]
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09/29/15 12:26 PM
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Fishin Machine
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I still don't get the whole leader thing. If your fishing with 20lb braid and you tie a 10 lb floro leader, you are now fishing with 10 lb floro leader. Why use the braid? You've got a whole spool of braid just to fish a lighter floro line, makes no sense. I am just getting started using this type of combo for dropshotting. I started out using mono and have done well with it. I have had it explained to me this way, if you are back off of your target especially in clear water the braid will allow you to get the distance minus the line twist and memory of straight fluoro. I fish with a guy that uses this technique and says he really likes it. Here is a video of Brett Hite explaining the knot and the advantages of this technique although he is using a little lighter braid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNuKHycbnG4
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 01:24 PM
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Happykamper
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I have not changed out the line on my spinning reels in 5 years, I use 20 lb braid with a 6-12 pound leader, try it, you will never go back.
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 02:09 PM
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Is this braid to floro combo only good for drop shotting or can it be used for just about anything that requires a spinning setup?
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
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09/29/15 02:18 PM
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James Biggs
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I still don't get the whole leader thing. If your fishing with 20lb braid and you tie a 10 lb floro leader, you are now fishing with 10 lb floro leader. Why use the braid? You've got a whole spool of braid just to fish a lighter floro line, makes no sense. Reason why I use a 20' floro leader on my drop shot: 1. With a long leader you can cut a few feet off and re tie without having to redo the whole thing. 2. When you get a fish next to the boat & it make a hard run the knot is in the spool so your weakest point in the line is not receiving the pressure. (Big reason) 3. You get the full benefits of floro quiet invisible qualities with braids non twisting properties. 4. The little bit of extra stretch keeps you from shock breaking your leader. 5. Light braid throws way farther than straight floro.
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 02:25 PM
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Fish hunter 59
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8# Invisx to 30# braid
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 03:06 PM
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I use 10 lb braid to 8lb flouro and have caught several 7 pounders using this setup it works great that 10 lb braid is mighty strong.
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
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09/29/15 03:40 PM
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RedRaider3933,
The junction version of a uni knot, joining two lines together, would be better called a "uni to uni" knot; the double uni knot is what guys like Bo at Nutech Lures tie where a standard uni has its line doubled over. Aaron Martens also uses a double uni knot like this sometimes.
Fishin Machine,
For a finesse drop shot rig, I use 10 lbs. braid (Sufix 832) tied to an 8 lbs. fluorocarbon leader (I use Seaguar Invisx). Some of the pros drop to 6 lbs. straight fluorocarbon or leaders when they want more bites.
Any three of the top junction knots will work well: a uni-to-uni, an Alberto/Albright version of a junction knot, or the strongest and thinnest of them all, an FG knot.
The first two are the easiest and fastest to tie.
Brad http://www.seaguar.com/applications/knot-guide/64-double-uni-knot.html
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 04:00 PM
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Brad R
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RedRaider,
Sure, you are not the only one who uses the term that way, even including some pretty good company!
"Irregardless," I understand, has now been accepted as an appropriate and legitimate word by the dictionary nerd types . . . since everyone now knows what the speaker intends by it.
Double uni still isn't technically correct. It needs context to be understood, that you are referring to two uni knots and two lines joined, not the other terminal tackle application.
Just curious what one would then call the doubled over line used to tie a traditional uni knot to terminal tackle, used by Martens and Bo of Nutech?
Uni is for "universal" by the way. A Grinner knot is a uni with a double pass through the eye of the hook or swivel, etc. and is another fine knot.
Uni knots of all kinds, regardless of how we call them, are among my favorites!
Cheers! Brad
P.S. 1973 Texas Tech Invitational Meet and Stadium discus record holder. Wife, 1974 Texas Tech graduate. Yes ! Go Tech!
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 04:04 PM
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Yes, I do it, for both drop-shotting and with a shaky head. I use 20lb P-Line XTCB-8 braid w/ an 8lb test P-Line Halo Fluorocarbon leader. Tied together with an Alberto Knot. Best knot for braid to fluoro hands down.
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 04:07 PM
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
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09/29/15 04:30 PM
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Fishin Machine
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Is this braid to floro combo only good for drop shotting or can it be used for just about anything that requires a spinning setup? I might try it on a Shaky Head
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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09/29/15 05:09 PM
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Brad R
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FG is clearly stronger, and clearly a narrower profile. For most, while it can be mastered, it is still a bit tougher and takes longer. But, when you plait two lines together so that they spiral together and bite into each other (really the braid into the fluoro I think), it makes an incredibly thin knot. And, in fair tests, it is stronger than an Alberto which is a bit stronger than a uni to uni. All three are great and more than enough. Here is Bo James of Nutech tying what RedRaider and I were discussing: what I refer to as a double uni. Something interesting toward the end of the video where he uses it to tie above an existing sinker. Worth a watch and a super knot. Aaron Martens also uses this knot a lot but, God, he is one of the worst at explaining just about anything technical . . . and he mumbles to boot. Brad Bo James of Nutech ties a double uni knot
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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10/02/15 12:20 AM
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another reason to go braid to flouro, if the hook eyelet isn't welded shut the knot on the braid will slip right out of it because of the small diameter. Ive just started using the braid to flouro on my drop shot rods and its way better than going all flouro. after a hour or so you just have horible line twist with straight flouro. The uni to uni is the only knot i use on this rig. caught a 8lb 11oz bass last year with 10lb spiderwire invisibraid and 8lb invizx last year so i have no problem going lite line. My thing is that i cut and retie at the hook every 5 or 6 fish. but thats just me
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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10/02/15 10:05 AM
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OKay so you sold me. I set up a drop shot rig,,,,,,,8# flouro to 30# Suffix braid,,,,,,,only I just used a swivel for the connection instead of a line-to-line knot. went out to Athens for 2 hours at lunch and 2 hours last night. Quiet an effective set up. Based on the previous posted video I did cast and work it back to the boat. Slower than a t-Rig worm and it was very effective. with the open hook it was imperative that I keep it outside the grass line but once I got that idea in my head there were no issues.
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Re: Braid to Fluorocarbon for Dropshotting
[Re: Fishin Machine]
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10/02/15 11:35 AM
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I like using an #1 Owner rigging hook Tx.posed for the smaller finesse worms better than the open hook concept because I fish around a lot of timber. I would get hung up too much in the timber with the open hook style. It works very well.
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