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#11024465 - 08/06/15 11:21 AM Let's Talk Leader Building
J-Moe Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 3004
Loc: Brenham, TX
OK, I have seen the charts on building leaders but I would like to hear from you guys on how you build your leaders. I have done a poor job so far. I usually build them with monofilament for top water flies and a combination of monofilament with the final piece being fluorocarbon for subsurface flies. Its usually a combination of 20 -14 - 8 lb lines.
I bought a roll of cheap 50 lb. but it seemed so stiff I didn't use it. I fish alot for bluegill and they are line shy.

How do you build yours? 2,3 or 4 sections? All fluorocarbon or all monofilament? Test line sizes? Lengths? Do you use only one brand of fishing line or mix lines? Do you use loops, blood knots or surgeons knots?

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#11024508 - 08/06/15 11:36 AM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
rrhyne56 Offline



Registered: 02/16/01
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Loc: McKinney TX USA
I furl mine. I used to sell them but it wasn't profitable. But having a jig, furling what I need, works well.
That being said, for tying them, I'd use Lefty Kreh's formula. Plain old mono seems to do the trick for me. 30/20/10, usually the last 10 section can be the tippet.
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#11024608 - 08/06/15 12:11 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
Jim Ford Offline
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I run 30/20/10/4 on the 2 wt. 30/20/8(or 6) on the 5 wts. 30/20/12 on the 6 wt. 50/30/20/12 on the 8s, 10, and 12. longer lengths on the heavier sections, tapering down to shorter lengths.

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#11024615 - 08/06/15 12:15 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
J-Moe Offline
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Registered: 04/04/14
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Loc: Brenham, TX
Thanks guys, any particular brand of line?

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#11024755 - 08/06/15 12:59 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
rrhyne56 Offline



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Pretty much any mono that you'd fish with. No need to go overboard but not Dollar Store stuff either.
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#11024793 - 08/06/15 01:11 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
txbassnewbie Offline
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Registered: 07/02/14
Posts: 137
Loc: Flower Mound
I use a furled leader with a tippet ring on the tappered end and loop on the other end... I usually tie p-line fluorocarbon 8lb for last section usually just make it 30"


Edited by txbassnewbie (08/06/15 01:13 PM)

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#11024851 - 08/06/15 01:36 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
Capt. Mac Online   content
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Registered: 02/06/13
Posts: 915
Loc: Sanger

I use Chico Fernandez's 50/30/20 formula. I use them in both fresh and saltwater.

http://midcurrent.com/techniques/saltwater-tippet-in-your-favor/
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#11024886 - 08/06/15 01:46 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
J-Moe Offline
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Registered: 04/04/14
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Loc: Brenham, TX
Thanks txbassnewbie and Capt. Mac. Interesting read.

Does anyone use straight fluorocarbon or just fluorocarbon tippets?

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#11024894 - 08/06/15 01:48 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: Jim Ford]
J-Moe Offline
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Registered: 04/04/14
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Loc: Brenham, TX
Originally Posted By: Jim Ford
I run 30/20/10/4 on the 2 wt. 30/20/8(or 6) on the 5 wts. 30/20/12 on the 6 wt. 50/30/20/12 on the 8s, 10, and 12. longer lengths on the heavier sections, tapering down to shorter lengths.


What brand of 50lb. test line do you use? The one I purchased was very stiff.

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#11025001 - 08/06/15 02:27 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
Jim Ford Offline
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Registered: 01/28/12
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Loc: Texas
J-Moe, I just use inexpensive line for the heavy end. I hate loops, and I secure it with a nail knot and coat that with some CCG or Loon's Knot Sense so it will slip through the guides easier. I usually coat all of the knots; they pick up less grass that way when that pesky grass is floating around. Use quality line for the light end. I generally secure the tippet with a surgeon's knot. With lighter tippets I use a triple knot; heavier tippets get a double.

Many folks in salt water just use a straight length of 20# Mason's Hard Monofilament for the whole leader, and swear by it. Never tried it myself, so I have no opinion on how it compares.

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#11025113 - 08/06/15 03:10 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: Jim Ford]
J-Moe Offline
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Registered: 04/04/14
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Loc: Brenham, TX
Originally Posted By: Jim Ford
J-Moe, I just use inexpensive line for the heavy end. I hate loops, and I secure it with a nail knot and coat that with some CCG or Loon's Knot Sense so it will slip through the guides easier. I usually coat all of the knots; they pick up less grass that way when that pesky grass is floating around. Use quality line for the light end. I generally secure the tippet with a surgeon's knot. With lighter tippets I use a triple knot; heavier tippets get a double.

Many folks in salt water just use a straight length of 20# Mason's Hard Monofilament for the whole leader, and swear by it. Never tried it myself, so I have no opinion on how it compares.


Great information Jim. thumb

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#11025497 - 08/06/15 05:40 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
tbates Offline
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Registered: 03/18/12
Posts: 301
Loc: Lubbock
It might not be leader building, but I will keep/use the heavy end of a store bought leader (5X) then just tie down 8-6-4lb mono.

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#11025498 - 08/06/15 05:40 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: tbates]
tbates Offline
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Registered: 03/18/12
Posts: 301
Loc: Lubbock
I think I'm a simpleton...

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#11025927 - 08/06/15 08:33 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
J-Moe Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 3004
Loc: Brenham, TX
Thanks tbates, I've tie on more tippet material on store bought leaders, not quite like that though.

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#11025954 - 08/06/15 08:46 PM Re: Let's Talk Leader Building [Re: J-Moe]
jonesy_84 Offline
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Registered: 09/16/10
Posts: 381
Loc: San Antonio
I run straight 30-50lb fluoro on the jetties and surf. I'm using an intermediate line so only 5-7ft leader. Most warm water fishing I'll just find whatever leader butts in my pack and tie on some tippet unless they're really skiddish. Trout on the other hand I make sure it's a nice leader lol
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