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#10977333 - 07/14/15 07:40 PM Tundra diesel?
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Heard the 2016 could have a cummins in it...anyone know more about this than i do?

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#10977397 - 07/14/15 08:11 PM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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Heard the same thing also...heard will be similar to what the Titan has.

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#10977645 - 07/14/15 09:57 PM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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No real need for that in a Tundra IMHO. The 5.7 can already tow a ton and the cost of adding a Cummins to a Tundra would make for an obscenely expensive pickup. And Toyota would have to design a heavier duty transmission and chassis to handle towing anything larger than the 5.7 already can. It's not like they already have a 3/4 ton pickup like the domestics.
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#10978014 - 07/15/15 08:04 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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Not knocking on the 5.7 tundra at all its a capable well respected truck, but its not a substitute for a 3/4-1ton pickup, its a go fast 1/2 ton.

It might be their step to break into the heavier duty market. Maybe they can help out their fuel mileage a little? Who knows, I bed with a little tweaking and tuning the trans that backs up the 5.7 will handle it just fine, in reality your looking at a drop in HP from the 5.7 and about a 25% increase in torque, not earth changing performance differences. Hopefully it will get better mpg's and have a flatter torque curve at a lower rpm.

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#10979489 - 07/15/15 07:51 PM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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They could use the same transmission thats in the 6.7 Ram. The Aisin 6 speed is being used in the new Titan diesel.

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#10979522 - 07/15/15 08:12 PM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Not knocking on the 5.7 tundra at all its a capable well respected truck, but its not a substitute for a 3/4-1ton pickup, its a go fast 1/2 ton.

It might be their step to break into the heavier duty market. Maybe they can help out their fuel mileage a little? Who knows, I bed with a little tweaking and tuning the trans that backs up the 5.7 will handle it just fine, in reality your looking at a drop in HP from the 5.7 and about a 25% increase in torque, not earth changing performance differences. Hopefully it will get better mpg's and have a flatter torque curve at a lower rpm.
I'm just saying it wouldn't really be a 3/4 ton truck unless they designed and entirely new chassis and put a new transmission in it, among other things. And the half ton tundra is so expensive that I can't imagine what a 3/4 ton would run.
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#10979546 - 07/15/15 08:25 PM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton... guess I should call the DMV and tell them the truck isn't heavy duty enough for that distinction.


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#10980120 - 07/16/15 07:18 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: BassBucknBeer]
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Originally Posted By: BassBucknBeer
You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton.


Probably just do that so they can charge you more for registration.

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#10980169 - 07/16/15 07:50 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: BassBucknBeer]
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Originally Posted By: BassBucknBeer
You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton... guess I should call the DMV and tell them the truck isn't heavy duty enough for that distinction.



The title for my 07 says the same thing, rated to carry over 1600 lbs so it becomes a 3/4 ton.

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#10980205 - 07/16/15 08:05 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: DLALLDER]
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Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Originally Posted By: BassBucknBeer
You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton... guess I should call the DMV and tell them the truck isn't heavy duty enough for that distinction.



The title for my 07 says the same thing, rated to carry over 1600 lbs so it becomes a 3/4 ton.
Nearly every half ton vehicle fits that description. So it sounds lik you probably should call the DMV.
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#10980243 - 07/16/15 08:24 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Originally Posted By: BassBucknBeer
You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton... guess I should call the DMV and tell them the truck isn't heavy duty enough for that distinction.



The title for my 07 says the same thing, rated to carry over 1600 lbs so it becomes a 3/4 ton.
Nearly every half ton vehicle fits that description. So it sounds lik you probably should call the DMV.


I believe most of them (modern 1/2 tons) are rated for that or more no?

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#10980251 - 07/16/15 08:28 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Not knocking on the 5.7 tundra at all its a capable well respected truck, but its not a substitute for a 3/4-1ton pickup, its a go fast 1/2 ton.

It might be their step to break into the heavier duty market. Maybe they can help out their fuel mileage a little? Who knows, I bed with a little tweaking and tuning the trans that backs up the 5.7 will handle it just fine, in reality your looking at a drop in HP from the 5.7 and about a 25% increase in torque, not earth changing performance differences. Hopefully it will get better mpg's and have a flatter torque curve at a lower rpm.
I'm just saying it wouldn't really be a 3/4 ton truck unless they designed and entirely new chassis and put a new transmission in it, among other things. And the half ton tundra is so expensive that I can't imagine what a 3/4 ton would run.


Like Allison1 said a new transmission with it, can use an already in production trans, heck they are probably pretty much using the already in production 5 liter cummins Nisan is using, beef up the rear suspension and the front to hold the heavier motor and bam, you have something to compete with the big boys diesel line.

As far as price... I don't think too many people care about the price that much anymore. If you gotta have leather and nav and backup cam your gonna spend a ment anyway.

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#10980279 - 07/16/15 08:41 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: DLALLDER
Originally Posted By: BassBucknBeer
You know what's funny is I got the title to my 2014 tundra in the mail a couple of weeks ago and right there on the title it says 3/4 ton... guess I should call the DMV and tell them the truck isn't heavy duty enough for that distinction.



The title for my 07 says the same thing, rated to carry over 1600 lbs so it becomes a 3/4 ton.
Nearly every half ton vehicle fits that description. So it sounds lik you probably should call the DMV.


I believe most of them (modern 1/2 tons) are rated for that or more no?

The use of the word "Tonnage" in modern vehicles is obsolete... Manufactures still use these terms because they know it would be to complicated for us to understand any other system. But, yes most 1/2 tons are 3/4 tons of yore...

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#10980292 - 07/16/15 08:47 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: redchevy
Not knocking on the 5.7 tundra at all its a capable well respected truck, but its not a substitute for a 3/4-1ton pickup, its a go fast 1/2 ton.

It might be their step to break into the heavier duty market. Maybe they can help out their fuel mileage a little? Who knows, I bed with a little tweaking and tuning the trans that backs up the 5.7 will handle it just fine, in reality your looking at a drop in HP from the 5.7 and about a 25% increase in torque, not earth changing performance differences. Hopefully it will get better mpg's and have a flatter torque curve at a lower rpm.
I'm just saying it wouldn't really be a 3/4 ton truck unless they designed and entirely new chassis and put a new transmission in it, among other things. And the half ton tundra is so expensive that I can't imagine what a 3/4 ton would run.


Like Allison1 said a new transmission with it, can use an already in production trans, heck they are probably pretty much using the already in production 5 liter cummins Nisan is using, beef up the rear suspension and the front to hold the heavier motor and bam, you have something to compete with the big boys diesel line.

As far as price... I don't think too many people care about the price that much anymore. If you gotta have leather and nav and backup cam your gonna spend a ment anyway.

I think if Nissan and Toyota can use the right parts and keep the price between most "1/2" and "3/4" tons it will be a hell of a truck. However you will still have your Jap haters out there that think only 'Merica can build a truck, and will blow it off... 355hp and 555TQ (which are the most current specs for this 5.0 cummins) and 25+ real world mpg....I'd buy it...

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#10980327 - 07/16/15 08:58 AM Re: Tundra diesel? [Re: lodell23]
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If they can bring 355 hp and 555tq along with 25+ mpg to fruition then it sounds like a hell of a pickup.

I find it hard to believe that a 5.0 putting out those numbers will get 25 mpg when the ecodisel, a smaller, economy built and minded vehicle didn't even make that combined in testing. Guess we will see.

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