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The Short End Of The Stick #10942465 06/26/15 10:16 PM
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Simple lever physics or if you like Archimedes and the law of the lever dictates that the distance multiplied by the weight on one side of the pivot or fulcrum is equal to the distance multiplied by the weight on the other side. So if one has a 10 foot fishing rod and is wearing a gimbal pad the fulcrum would be your grip on the rod at about 2 to 3ft. from the butt. If you have a preset drag on your reel of 20lbs this would create an up lift at the butt of between 46.6 and 60lbs, and a fulcrum load of 66.6lbs to 80lbs. Some of the fulcrum load could be offset or redistributed with the use of a harness that attaches to the reel, but this will shift the pivot increasing the uplift at the butt. It is to the fishermens advantage to use as short of rod as possible if a long and heavy drag battle is anticipated. It truly amazes me to hear of sustained fish battles with 40lbs of dragLawton


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10942766 06/27/15 01:47 AM
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Huh?


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10942828 06/27/15 02:17 AM
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My brain hurts....just fish!

Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10942886 06/27/15 02:57 AM
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Make sure your Hematron is adjusted and calibrated also.


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10943018 06/27/15 05:14 AM
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Now where did I put that flux capacitor?


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10943022 06/27/15 05:25 AM
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Long rods give the advantage of leverage to the fish, because the fulcrum isn't centered and you're on the short side of the lever.


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10943060 06/27/15 08:46 AM
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I've drank way too much to understand that...

Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10943169 06/27/15 12:56 PM
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I call my 8' 6" Loomis GL3 STR1024S Med/Fast Action rod that Larry of "Larry's Tackle Town" (which was the predecessor to Rockport Tackle Town) sold me about 19 years ago and now I call it Ol' Betsy because it has put a lot of food on the table for my family.

I have recorked the handle on it twice.

It is incredible how light this rod is, ... it can can cast a 'country mile' compared to the shorter rods I have used and it can hold any fish I hook - surf or bay fishing.

I sure understand what the OP is talking about, there are trade-offs between using a short rod vs. a longer rod - though it is more from my experience than from a science lab using a mathematical formula.

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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10943901 06/27/15 09:53 PM
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By that logic you shouldn't use a rod at all.


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10977821 07/15/15 05:58 AM
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Put your beers down Gents & consider the following: as I ramble on a little...
If your going to consider the entire weight & size of the fish on the line, to the tip end of the tail and it's variable ability to change course, in all directions, applying more and less tork and force applied, plus it's weight during the fight, then so goes the angler's entire weight & size and his variable abilty to change the angle of his position, posture and force applied(standing, sliding, sinking in the mud or in his beach chair) plus his weight, him & the rod as one, to compensate during the fight. Well, if the rod is anchored in the gimbal pad, the applied grip(fulcrum)on the rod and so anchored to the angler, then isn't it correct to consider the rod, now extends down to his heels, thus giving a higher advantage, of weight & distance to fulcrum, to the angler?
Note: Did not say overwhelming advantage, O.K.. Ha!

Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10977899 07/15/15 11:19 AM
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I witnessed a fellow fisherman's rod yanked right out of the rocks and into the channel at SWP last weekend!!! Yikes!!!

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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10978585 07/15/15 06:00 PM
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you've got way too much time on your hands. lol!


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10978678 07/15/15 06:45 PM
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use a telescopic rod.

http://www.amazon.com/Plusinno-Telescopic-Retractable-Saltwater-Spinning/dp/B00YBV7WV4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1436985846&sr=8-2&keywords=telescopic+fishing+rods&refinements=p_72%3A2661618011

extend to cast, retract for maximum leverage to fight fish.
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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Rockdodger00] #10979249 07/15/15 10:37 PM
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No, the fulcrum is wherever one decides to hold the rod. If one weighs 180 pounds, and the rod end is in a gimble belt, that's just 180 pounds on your side of the see-saw. Very basically, anything pulling down the other side of the see-saw weighing say 250 pounds, you would be picked up off your feet if not for drag and the flexibility of the rod.


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Re: The Short End Of The Stick [Re: Lottfisher] #10979346 07/15/15 11:31 PM
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Yep. The OP has it right. A long rod is used to generate speed for a longer cast, while a short rod offers the angler more leverage. This is why the newer jigging style rods are so powerful...the characteristic "c" shaped bend they form when under a heavy lifting(fighting) load effectively shortens the rod and offers more leverage to the angler.

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