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#10884815 - 05/30/15 11:59 PM What will we learn?
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Now that plentiful rain has quenched the thirsty earth after nearly a decade of drier than normal weather, what lessons will we take into the future (if any)?
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#10884833 - 05/31/15 12:32 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
jetboom Offline
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We as individuals have probably learned a lot..but the people in charge of managing our water, i doubt recent events will outshine their desire for profits.

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#10884835 - 05/31/15 12:43 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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Hopefully, the Dallas City Council has had their memories refreshed on how big, fast, and dangerous the Trinity River can get.....and then amend parts of the Trinity River Project.
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#10884895 - 05/31/15 03:57 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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I have learned the most people don't really use a lot but business do
http://trinityrivertexas.org/explore/thirsty/s3_ti.php

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#10884976 - 05/31/15 07:35 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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I'm wondering if they'll go ahead & hurry up to get every lake back down to conservation pool level, or if since we're headed into what's usually a pretty dry period of the year if they'll hold in a little extra, & possibly stave off future low lakes as much as we can with the water we have.
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#10884998 - 05/31/15 07:50 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: rsmith]
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Pretty much confirms how water gets used in much of Texas. Watering lawns, estates, business parks, golf courses, etc. A lot also going for manufacturing and other industrial uses. But it always fashionable to blame overconsumptive water use on farmers.

Fortunately, it won't be an issue again for awhile. But looking at the municipal use of water in that report, remember also that municipal use is, since 2011, first priority use, with energy production second, industry third, agriculture a distant fourth, recreation fifth, and the water required to keep the estuaries healthy bringing up the rear at sixth.

I when it gets dry again, you might have to figure out how to eat carpetgrass. In the meantime, we should all go fishing.

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#10885001 - 05/31/15 07:53 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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Registered: 05/06/10
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All the ones in charge will see is dollar signs.More water to sell so it can be wasted running down the streets rather than making people adjust their sprinklers.

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#10885010 - 05/31/15 08:05 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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Absolutely nothing! You will ask the same question after the next drought and floods.
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#10885617 - 05/31/15 03:56 PM Re: What will we learn? [Re: ChuChu1]
BigDave1 Offline
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Water restrictions will be eased but not erased at least in the cities serviced by NTMWD. Water restrictions, although eased quite a bit, are still in force and will continue. No more daily lawn watering. Twice a week at best.
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#10887281 - 06/01/15 11:17 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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I've learned that the water issue in the state of Texas is way over the top complicated. With no statewide consensus on how to properly manage all water and the rights to it most of us will be high and dry again when the excess recedes and makes it to the gulf... I have changed my opinion, thinking, respect and use of water to better reflect just how vital it is to life..
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#10887317 - 06/01/15 11:26 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: auminer]
BrianTx01 Offline
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Originally Posted By: auminer
I'm wondering if they'll go ahead & hurry up to get every lake back down to conservation pool level, or if since we're headed into what's usually a pretty dry period of the year if they'll hold in a little extra, & possibly stave off future low lakes as much as we can with the water we have.


Tbe COE lakes will be bought to conservation pool ASAP. Their primary job is flood control.
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#10887339 - 06/01/15 11:34 AM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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Long periods of drought followed by brief periods of flooding is normal to north central Texas. The only problem is we got a lot more people draining those lakes during periods of drought, and we haven't built any lakes in 30 years. It might not be popular to build DFW lakes in East Texas but that is where the water is...so we just need to figure out a fair process for those displaced to be properly compensated for their property. There are a lot of abuses of eminent domain...like taking property for private commercial development, but building a reservoir should be an acceptable use as long as it is done correctly.
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#10887464 - 06/01/15 12:09 PM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
Brad R Offline
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Registered: 03/09/15
Posts: 791
Loc: Texas
I can't recall why or when I compiled this partial list but here are some of the dates of when various lakes were impounded.

Lake Athens 1962
Toledo Bend 1967
Lake Fork 1980
Lake Palestine 1962
Joe Pool 1986
Bob Sandlin 1977
Lake Tawakoni 1960
Squaw Creek 1977
Wheeler Branch 2007
Possum Kingdom 1944
Lake Arlington 1957
Lake Benbrook 1952
Eagle Mountain 1932
Lake Worth 1914
Lake Texoma 1944
Ray Roberts 1987
O.H. Ivie 1990
Cedar Creek 1965
Lake Conroe 1973
Lake Tyler W 1949
Lake Tyler E 1966
Purtis Creek 1985
Lake Whitney 1951
Lake Granbury 1969
L. Weatherford 1957

Ivie was 25 years ago and Wheeler Branch just a few years back. Yep! Water resource management has be more than just building reservoirs and praying for rain. We could do lots better.

Is everyone here familiar with the Bamberger Ranch story, how he took over-grazed, desolate and dry land and actually restored it? Texas should adopt a similar model state-wide, restore the indigenous prairie grasses and more.

It must be rather low on the political list. Look how long it has taken California to address its problem and the solutions are rather limited.

And, yet, there is that tiny island, Aruba, with likely less money than you could shake out of the coin pockets in downtown Houston and Dallas, yet the tiny island nation has a sophisticated desalinization facility and some of the best drinking water in the world. If they can do it, what I wonder keeps us from such solutions?

Brad


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#10887521 - 06/01/15 12:24 PM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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It costs lot of money to take the salt out...not to mention DFW is 300 miles and 600' uphill from the coast.
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#10887561 - 06/01/15 12:39 PM Re: What will we learn? [Re: hook-line&sinker]
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There is so much litigation involved in building reservoirs...and little of it has anything to do with the parties actual interests. One of the lawsuits involved with the Martin Nichols fiasco lists the flooding of "20th century farm sites" as an unacceptable consequences of building the reservoir....really? Is their some kind of shortage of farm sites from the early 1900's? Do we not know enough about agriculture from 1910?

The real reason is someone probably doesn't like the idea of having their prime hunting spot flooded...and I get that... I wouldn't want my prime spot flooded either...if I had one.

I just think we need to be careful and watch the people that are suppose to watching after our water. The TRWD is building bridges over dry land in Fort Worth...one of the East Texas water agencies is building a resevior with a large chunk of private money and granting water rights to that private company.
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