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#10846439 - 05/15/15 10:28 AM Non-Ethanol fuel
Rayzor Offline
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Registered: 05/13/08
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I recently went to Missouri. I filled my truck up at a gas station that had non-ethanol gasoline. My Chevy truck has a miles-per-tank readout. I didn't really pay attention to the readout at the time. I went to another gas station which had gasoline with ethanol in it. I read the miles-per-tank readout. I could swear that the non-ethanol gas gave me about 30 more mile per tankful. If I can find a gas station around Houston that sells non-ethanol gas, I am going to check this out.

Does anyone out there have any experience with this?
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#10846501 - 05/15/15 11:03 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
2015fordnut Offline
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Well known that 10% Ethanol will drop fuel mileage. What you have to take into consideration is locating a station that has non-ethanol fuel (which won't be in close proximity to Houston) and price difference. $$$ vs. MPG, is it worth it?
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#10846563 - 05/15/15 11:39 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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I personally never saw the loss in fuel mileage many claim. I feel it is negligible at best. Driving habits have a huge impact on mileage.

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#10846598 - 05/15/15 11:58 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX There is one listed in Houston. Yes you will get a little better mileage with the non ethanol gas, the ethanol reduces the amount of energy available in a gallon of the mixture. Around here it is $.10 cents a gallon higher. I use the non in my outboard and fourwheeler and all my lawn equipment. It is very detrimental to equipment where they sit for periods of time between use. b


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#10846664 - 05/15/15 12:32 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
Rayzor Offline
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The price of the gas where I was at was the same for non-ethanol and with ethanol. You're right though; I would have to weight the additional price per gallon price against mileage gained.
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#10848444 - 05/16/15 09:24 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
KingwoodCat Offline
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The one in Houston does not exist.

When I was working in Florida I noticed several stations near the coast that had ethanol free gas.
I think that just about any boat owner would be willing to pay .30-.40 per gallon for ethanol free gas and the obvious market is near any lake.
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#10885885 - 05/31/15 06:39 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
RoosterBill Offline
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Non ethanol fuel is less efficient. I have done the test on a couple of vehicles and get better mileage with non ethanol gas. Not sure if the cost outweighs the mileage. For sure with smaller motors especially any kind of 2 stroke the straight gas is much better. They run better and last longer.

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#10886746 - 06/01/15 07:48 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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Registered: 12/12/08
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Ethanol kills economy in today's engines. But I am curious what happens when the engine is actually designed to run on ethanol. Ethanol can be run with a much higher compression ratio and more advanced timing than gasoline (consider alcohol race engines). There is even talk of using an ethanol mix in a compression ignition engines, basically modified diesel engines.

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#10886926 - 06/01/15 09:00 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Samsonsworld]
redchevy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Samsonsworld
Ethanol kills economy in today's engines. But I am curious what happens when the engine is actually designed to run on ethanol. Ethanol can be run with a much higher compression ratio and more advanced timing than gasoline (consider alcohol race engines). There is even talk of using an ethanol mix in a compression ignition engines, basically modified diesel engines.


GM published different performance numbers for the 5.3 based on using E-10 and E-85. I believe for the 5.3 for the 2014 year model it was 355 hp and 360 torque on E-10, but when using E-85 was rater at 380 HP and over 400 ftlb torque. Im sure the mileage suffers though.

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#10887328 - 06/01/15 11:30 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
Allison1 Offline
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E10 should be 3 1/2 percent less power than straight gas. It depends on the vehicle but it should be somewhere close to that.

Indy cars have been running ethanol since 2006 in various blends. They are supposed to be cleaner burning today than most passenger cars running gas.

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#10887444 - 06/01/15 12:02 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
Shadetree Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
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The alcahol that is blended into gasoline is not the same thing that is used in race engines. It is 98% methanol with 2% denatured alcahol and some high octane gasoline mixed in to come up with a 115 octane fuel, yes with that you could probably run higher compression and more advanced timing. Ethanol is made from fermented grain, methanol is refined from natural gas. b
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#10887753 - 06/01/15 01:45 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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E100 has a 113 octane rating and a higher btu than methanol.

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#10888625 - 06/01/15 07:43 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Shadetree]
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Originally Posted By: Shadetree
The alcahol that is blended into gasoline is not the same thing that is used in race engines. It is 98% methanol with 2% denatured alcahol and some high octane gasoline mixed in to come up with a 115 octane fuel, yes with that you could probably run higher compression and more advanced timing. Ethanol is made from fermented grain, methanol is refined from natural gas. b


The Indy cars switched to ethanol. They have run between 10 and 98 percent, mixed with gas, since 2006.

Nascar is running E15 in their cars.







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#10889747 - 06/02/15 10:14 AM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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#10890161 - 06/02/15 12:51 PM Re: Non-Ethanol fuel [Re: Rayzor]
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They're right! Ethanol does produce more carbon dioxide than gas/dino oil.

The problem with that article is that all the environmentalists are laughing at it. CO2 is about the only thing that ethanol produces more of than gasoline. Nothing new although it seems some, including the guy who wrote that article, is clueless.





Now, if you add in the CO2 the plants consume to provide the base for the production of ethanol, you get a total reduction of CO2 emissions.








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