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 Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: dustman_stx]
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05/22/15 02:49 AM
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patriot07
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I've got a 2004 5.3L with 150k miles and zero engine repairs. Had to replace a power window motor awhile back. And had to clean the throttle body once awhile back. The Ram ecodiesel 4x4 crew has a max towing capacity of 7,700lbs vs 11,700lbs for the ecoboost 4x4 crew. Apples to oranges. If you go with the 3.73 rear end in the ecoboost, you can get that towing (I can't even find one locally that has that option). But you then give up all of your mpg gains. Which defeats the whole purpose...? If you want a truck that gets 15 mpg empty and tows 11k lbs, get a 3/4 ton. Same price as the ecoboost with stronger components and better resale. Actually, the 2015 models with the highest tow rating are 3.55 trucks. Considering the 3.5L EB drivetrain didn't change at all, we can assume that Ford came to the same conclusion I did- you don't really need lower than 3.55 gears in an EB because of the torque curve and 6 speed tranny. Didn't realize that. The pre-2015 towing specs were quite different. You had to have the 4.11 or something like that to get any tow capacity over 9,500.
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Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: patriot07]
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05/22/15 12:19 PM
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Samsonsworld
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Didn't realize that. The pre-2015 towing specs were quite different. You had to have the 4.11 or something like that to get any tow capacity over 9,500. Uhmmm....no. http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/14FLRV&TT_F150_Sep11.pdfAnd based on a lot of reading, here is what you get moving from the standard tow package to HD Maxtow: Upgraded shocks, upgraded leaf springs, E rated tires, upgraded bumper, tow mirrors, trailer brake controller and usually a 3.73 rear end. And a lot of those you end up buying a-la-carte on a non-hd maxtow.
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Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: patriot07]
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05/22/15 01:16 PM
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dustman_stx
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I've got a 2004 5.3L with 150k miles and zero engine repairs. Had to replace a power window motor awhile back. And had to clean the throttle body once awhile back. The Ram ecodiesel 4x4 crew has a max towing capacity of 7,700lbs vs 11,700lbs for the ecoboost 4x4 crew. Apples to oranges. If you go with the 3.73 rear end in the ecoboost, you can get that towing (I can't even find one locally that has that option). But you then give up all of your mpg gains. Which defeats the whole purpose...? If you want a truck that gets 15 mpg empty and tows 11k lbs, get a 3/4 ton. Same price as the ecoboost with stronger components and better resale. Actually, the 2015 models with the highest tow rating are 3.55 trucks. Considering the 3.5L EB drivetrain didn't change at all, we can assume that Ford came to the same conclusion I did- you don't really need lower than 3.55 gears in an EB because of the torque curve and 6 speed tranny. Didn't realize that. The pre-2015 towing specs were quite different. You had to have the 4.11 or something like that to get any tow capacity over 9,500. Not with the EB. 2011-2014 EB SCrew trucks typically had mid 9K ratings with 3.55 gears. 3.73 and 4.10 trucks had the 11K+ ratings. 2015 trucks with exact same drivetrain have 12K plus ratings with 3.55 gears. Having towed mid 9K loads thousands of miles with my 3.55 truck, I can assure you that lower than 3.55 gears are absolutely unnecessary for towing heavy with the EB. Ford finally came to their senses. I think they likely made the transition to the higher gears over time because the general public expects a gas truck to NEED low gears to tow.
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Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: UTDmiller]
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05/22/15 01:25 PM
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Samsonsworld
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Same drivetrain, same rear end, same cooling system, same brakes....makes you wonder how they come up with the numbers.
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Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: UTDmiller]
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05/22/15 01:34 PM
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redchevy
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For 2015 aren't they using a new rating system?
I thought it was supposed to lower tow ratings though?
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Re: Looking into New Trucks
[Re: UTDmiller]
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05/22/15 03:10 PM
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redchevy
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Yeah, was bugging the heck out of me I couldn't remember SAE.
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