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#10749780 - 04/06/15 06:17 PM Native Slayer or Hobie?
jjfox09 Offline
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Registered: 10/11/11
Posts: 3623
Loc: Arlington Tx
I have decided I want a pedal kayak but can't decide on one over the other. The Slayer can go backwards so that's a plus. Anything I should look into? I plan on going to the Mariner Sails demo day on the 25th to try them out.
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#10749980 - 04/06/15 07:57 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
weklfrog Offline
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Registered: 04/14/14
Posts: 158
Backwards is certainly a plus for the Native. However, the Hobie can more easily go shallower by positioning the fins up against the bottom of the kayak by putting the pedals as far apart as they will go. One can even propel forward by little flutter movements in this position. In the Native, you would have to pull the propeller up. I have an Outback and prefer the back and forth pedaling compared to the more bicycle style pedaling of the Native. Seems to me that it takes less effort and movement. But I have heard the opposite from others. That one seems to be a personal preference. Definitely need to try both out and see what feels more natural and weigh the advantages of pedaling backwards vs the ability to more easily go in skinny water.

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#10750037 - 04/06/15 08:17 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
The Black Hammer Offline
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Registered: 04/11/08
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Loc: Grand Prairie
Can we get a sticky on the top of the forum for when anyone posts this question it leads to one answer... DEMO THEM BOTH, and then demo them again. But in all honesty to really enjoy them, you would probably need to spend a full day in each to add to the debate. On a side not, the new Mirage drive is super fast. Jason Delfraisse just got a PA 14 and man, that thing hauls [censored]. I have a Slayer 13, and absolutely love it. I can give credit where credit is due, and the PA's have more room, better rod storage, and much better seat. But with all that I still enjoy my Slayer 13 better.
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#10750159 - 04/06/15 08:56 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
jjfox09 Offline
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Registered: 10/11/11
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I do plan on going to a demo day but wanted to hear some good/bad and what to look for before I went.

Good info so far. Thanks guys.
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#10750227 - 04/06/15 09:24 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
Shutterbuff Offline
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Registered: 03/20/13
Posts: 216
Loc: Rowlett, TX
I happen to be at Mariner Sales this afternoon and there were not 1, not 2 BUT 3 PA14's going out the door. It is an awesome boat.
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#10750317 - 04/06/15 09:52 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
Yak FinAddic Offline
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Registered: 09/11/05
Posts: 2807
Loc: Garland, TX
Join the Hobie Life, it is a good one cheers
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#10750417 - 04/06/15 10:28 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
Jerry Hamon Offline
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Registered: 12/31/06
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Loc: Van Alstyne, TX USA
Demo and decide on your own. Nobody can tell you what will work best for you. I've been doing this kayak thing for nearly 10 years and every time I listened to someone else I regretted it.

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#10750731 - 04/07/15 07:35 AM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: The Black Hammer]
Jason Delfraisse Offline
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Registered: 04/14/14
Posts: 365
Loc: FORT WORTH
Originally Posted By: Superman0311
Can we get a sticky on the top of the forum for when anyone posts this question it leads to one answer... DEMO THEM BOTH, and then demo them again. But in all honesty to really enjoy them, you would probably need to spend a full day in each to add to the debate. On a side not, the new Mirage drive is super fast. Jason Delfraisse just got a PA 14 and man, that thing hauls [censored]. I have a Slayer 13, and absolutely love it. I can give credit where credit is due, and the PA's have more room, better rod storage, and much better seat. But with all that I still enjoy my Slayer 13 better.


Haha yes they are very fast! And there is great things I like about both boats for me it was the motion of pedaling and the storage capacity and the stability of the Hobie that won me over. To each his own though the owners of each brand seem to like them. So I assume it's mostly a preference thing.

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#10750746 - 04/07/15 07:47 AM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
mikepaddle Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 12/15/09
Posts: 1294
Loc: Dallas
If you cannot wait until the demo day then come by the store. We have both the PA and Slayer Propel on display in our showroom.

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#10750758 - 04/07/15 07:50 AM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
marcus254 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/14
Posts: 2893
Loc: TX
if i was in your shoes id go propel. cool
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#10751777 - 04/07/15 02:32 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
That Possum Offline
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Registered: 07/08/13
Posts: 356
I'm in the same boat...can't decide. And I've demo'd them both. I really like em both. I love that the Slayer goes in reverse, but it also irritates me that the Slayer doesn't come with hatch covers, tools for maintenance..unless they started doing that this year.

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#10751871 - 04/07/15 03:13 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: That Possum]
readtrio Offline
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Registered: 06/24/12
Posts: 957
Loc: Alvarado Texas
Have you looked at the 2015 outback?
Very nice for the money.
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#10768297 - 04/14/15 06:40 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
Pescado Offline
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Registered: 03/28/07
Posts: 44
The PA is in a class by itself IMO. The NuCanoe is as stable but it's more of a trolling motor type kayak.
The Outback may be closer to the Propel in stability, seating, and general use.

I noticed they changed the crank arm size of the Propel, this should be an improvement, the other arms were long and no way my wife could use it.

The Outback and Propel are similar in size so I put them in the same class. Again, the PA is by itself...nothing else like it and when the pedals and seat are set right I could see myself pedaling for hours or the full day...we'll see.

I went to Mariner Sails to buy the Propel but the Pro Angler storage, stability, and open deck won me over. So I bought a PA and then bought a Ride 135 from them for the days I want to paddle (plus it's for friends and family that go with us...after the day I had Sunday in the PA, they won't be using it).

I do like the reverse on the Propel but I don't like the bulk of the drive system but the option of reverse around docks, reeds, and stumps made me overlook that. If you're fishing lakes where depth is not a problem and you don't want to grab the paddle every time you want to back out of a pocket then edge the Propel up the list a bit.

Since I bought the PA here's what I think.
The PA has a really tight turning radius and a skeg that is nice. I really noticed the importance of those two items when I got on the Ride 135 in the wind...it will be getting the rudder after our fishing trip. They need to make the rudder progressive. It's too sensitive when pedaling straight. I'll look into mine some time down the road. It should be more like the pulley on a compound bow.
If you notice your legs tiring or cramping above your knees then readjust the seat and pedals on the PA. Once set right it is effortless. I could see how it would take a day or two for some to figure out the sweet spot but I found it the second time out and marked my equipment to claim it as mine so we wouldn't get our kayaks mixed up and have to figure it out again; at least till I get more comfortable with it.

Mariner Sails is by far the best shop I've been to. I'm not saying this because I'm excited about my purchase, I have purchased kayaks from other shops...never once did I get a tour of my kayak and how all the bits and bobs worked and what they're for. I felt they were just short of saying 'let's go out fishing tomorrow'. I'm just as excited about where I bought it as having the kayaks. They use them and fish them; therefore I feel like they will give me advise that fits my situation.
I bought mine this weekend and this month they've sold a bunch of PAs.

To help them, let them know what you will do with it and what you might do with it. I mostly will be in lakes but rivers and coastal areas were possibilities too.

Good luck,
Tim


Edited by stukatim (04/14/15 06:42 PM)

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#10768363 - 04/14/15 07:04 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
The Black Hammer Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Grand Prairie
Tim, Mariner Sails has a Thursday working mans fishing tournament. This week it is at Lake Grapevine. You are more than welcomed to come out and fish with us. And congrats on your new purchase!
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#10768368 - 04/14/15 07:06 PM Re: Native Slayer or Hobie? [Re: jjfox09]
Pescado Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 03/28/07
Posts: 44
Thanks, I'll look into that.

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