I've got some bad news for you. If you're only getting 65 ft with 8 and 9 wt setups, it is not a tackle issue.

Are you double hauling yet? If not, learning it would be the next step. However, if you are using it, then we need to help you to get more efficent with it.

It was such a pleasure to meet you, George. I really appreciate all your help. I started fishing Red River below the Dam since 1987. So I am a "river guy". I know the river very well. I caught lots, lots big stripers at Denison Dam. I am very good fishing the tail water of Denison Dam.

I need your help badly on fly tackle suitable for LONG CAST on the open water. You mentioned that you use 9# or 10# fly rod, and shooting heads. I have 8# BVK, 8# Mangrove, and 9# Clouser Serie. I am looking for your recommendation for the shooting head and running line. Currently, I am using Rio Salt water Tropical short. I can get about 65 feet with my big flies. I do need a bit extra distance to reach schooling fishes, since I fish from the bank. Please help! Thanks!

Moon, I am confused about your question about LONG CAST on open water. Are you asking about sinking heads?
Rex has answered your question about longer cast, but if you are talking sinking shooting heads and running lines, casting technique is a different casting style.

I made my sinking heads using Cortland LC 13 - meaning lead core weighing 13 grains/foot - my preference for 28 foot heads weigh in at 364 grains. Your 9wt Clouser will handle these lines very well.
I believe that Rio now markets a Tungsten sinking head that I assume T-14 means 14 grain/ft.

But - I don�t know why you would use this line for shore fishing.
They will sink fast and crawl along the bottom between rocks and be a PITA hang-upper.

My favorite line for shore fishing sinking lines is the old tried and true Teeny 200 and 300 integrated fly lines.

You don�t cast these things, you �launch� them! You cast the Teenys the same as LC13 lines. Hold the running line connection at hand, do a flip or short roll cast and get the entire head out of tip, make an oval backcast and shoot the line. You should easily cast the entire 80 ft Teeny and 100+ ft with LC13. A double haul is not even required!

For structure fishing and shore fishing I like the floating shooting line that Teeny provides.

I would not use shooting lines/heads for shore fishing other than sinkers.
Too many options now WF fly lines.

All kinds of running lines available - google is you friend.
Hope this helps,
George

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Thank you very much for the help. I am sorry that i didnt make myself more clear. I want to learn the shooting head you made, and running line you use. I don't use sink line or sink tip. I use floating line, floating line with intermidiate tip. What i want to do is to shoot my line out, to reach the schooling fish.
Can you also tell me the leader you use? I make my leader using 4' 30# mono, 4� 20# fc line, 4' 15# or 10# fc line. Do you think it's too long?
Thanks!
[quote=George Glazener][quote=moonriver]

On your 9# clouser----get an 11# rio outbound short shooting head (floating). Match that with a rio slickshooter running line .035 diameter. This will carry your large flies a long distance if,,,you can cast well. Casting a shooting head is different than a regular cast. Watch'some vids on utube to get an idea and a haul is a requirement.

Once mastered you will find the cast slow and easy but when your line hits the water it will resemble a train wreck

M.R., looking at your other post, you're trying to cast some very large poppers. As a general statement, heavier lines will cast larger flies easier. So, txww's advice to upline two sizes is a good next step for you. As much as you like to try different lines, I think you'll like switching to a running line with a separate head. That setup will allow you to experiment with different head designs and weights more easily than with full fly lines.

However, be careful about using a Skagit head. They are designed for 2 handed rods and they are heavier than lines for single hand rods. So, picking the best wt Skagit line to use with a single hand rod is more complicated.


Here's something you might find interesting. In the part one video, he is giving tips on going from 60 ft to 90 ft of distance. Note that he is using a regular fly line and not a shooting head. The shooting head technique will be a little bit different, but he covers the critical skills that are necessary for distance casting regardless of the line. But as mentioned by someone else, with a heavy shooting head, you'll just make one backcast and then launch the line.

Please note that Paul has a Part II on distance casting. But Part II focuses on Competition Style distance casting and the casting style is different than the styles that are used for fishing. He does have some good information in that video, but note that he talks about carrying 85 to 90 feet of line in the air before he switches to that style of casting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epIC5Skvro

The caster is Paul Arden and was filmed at an event in Malaysia in 2012. There are also some videos by Peter Hayes that were filmed at the same event that are good casting videos.

Good luck!

Since nobody mentioned it, if you're throwing big flies your leader is indeed too long. Try going down to 4', 2', 1.5' for fly changes and that'll cut you down 4.5 feet. You'll have a lot better luck especially if your line/leader is overshooting your fly when it lands.

Moon don't beat yourself up. Lot different standing in a confined outdoor area standing on concrete than it is waste deep in rock/dirt.

I also have heard people tell me, casting 90' isn't done in one cast. You must get line out and shoot 20-30' at a time. One step at a time.

I agree on shortening the leader.

Good luck!